April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
14 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. Moi

    If I try to vote when I'm not supposed to my vote will not count either because I broke the rules. So why should it be any different for Mich. & Fl. Is this what we can expect from Clinton, someone who is willing to break the rules so she gets her way?

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  2. Keith

    I wish that they would stick to the issues. Popular vote doesn't decide the race (although I wish that it did, the delegate system is so convoluted), delegates do. So focus on the isssues please and stop spinning the nonsense, both of you.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  3. andrea, Illinois

    Are people seriously buying Hillary's reasoning? You are got to be kidding!!!!
    I could maybe understand to count FL (at least both candidates were on the ballot), but Michigan? Is she totally losing it? How could those votes be counted if one of the candidates wasn't even on the ballot? Somebody has to tell her that in VERY CLEAR WORDS!!! This is the most unfair claim that her campaign has made so far! SHAME ON YOU, HILLARY! This is called bending the rules and cheating!! I don't understand why the DNC doesn't put a stop to arguments like this! Will they let her get away with it again?
    This woman needs to be stopped. She will destroy all the Democrats chances for the fall!

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  4. Claire

    Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan (something, by the way, all the candidates agreed to not be on in writing - there is actually a document for this – I have seen it on the news multiple times), and that should not count.

    On Tuesday, CNN had a graph of three possible popular vote outcomes – without caucuses, with caucuses and with just Florida. In all three cases, Obama led the popular vote.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  5. Lucy

    Am afraid to watch TV now, everytime i see her face i get sick!...oh...she'll all over the internet too!

    It's is always her way, stop this woman!

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  6. Kel from Auburn, AL

    This woman is pitiful. She broke the rules by even being on the michigan ballot and attending a fundraiser in Florida. Their votes don't count because they scheduled the primaries too early.

    So leave it alone, please.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  7. Steve, South Carolina

    As soon as I saw the Ticker headline............I wondered what creative accounting Mrs. Clinton had created to make that claim...............how desperate..............McCain 2008

    Wake up America.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  8. John WA

    Julie,et al-Obama was not against a revote. This is Clinton spin-again.Obama wanted a fair well organized vote which was not paid for by the Clinton supporters. Hillary knew the rules and exploited them. She's a con artist.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |

    A march on Denver from the East will be seen as an attack and will be met by a march from the SouthWestern states. Viva la Raza.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  10. Darlene

    Clinton once again must be tired from waiting on that 3:00 AM phone call because she is "mis-speaking" again, oh excuse me, she is not mis-speaking she is doing what the Clinton's always do, twist, re-define words and ignore the rules of the game.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  11. For the love of this independent

    What is all this stuff about counting the votes? MI and FL vote has been counted already. We know exactly how many votes each candidate received. The fact is the nominee is based on number of delegates. Every superdelegate knows what happen in FL and MI. It is up to them to decide whether they will take it under consideration. Hillary has all her supporters in an uproar about something that has already happened. Now if you want the media to start including your vote in the total numbers that is something else. As for your delegates because they broke the rules they are now negotiating how to appropriately distribute. So stop crying already. This contests is based on delegates.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  12. theresa

    Come on Hillary, you know the rules and you help make them and agreed to them. Barack is playing by the rules which is something black people have had to do all of our lives. We have to do our jobs by the book or else. We have to be on time and upfront no matter what. He will be a better President than you will ever be. You are white and was born with that silver spoon in your mouth and never had to play by the rules. Yeah I'm speaking my mind because being black is so hard in this country. We have to always be criticized when we get a good education, a good paying job, and when some white people like us, the whole country gets mad. This is not right. WAKE UP America. These other countries disrespcet us because we don't respect us. Think about it.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  13. Fla Sam

    This woman is incredible. She will continue to change the rules until she wins. The next thing she will say is the person with less delegates, less popular vote, and is unelectable should win the nomination.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  14. Fedia

    Yes Hillary, there is no doubt that you can even win by loosing, I am not surprised.....

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  15. Lee WV

    After NC she won't even be able to boast this even counting the bogus elections in Fla And Mich.She is a real piece of work.Everyone is boasting about the double digit win in PA which is actually 9,that is a single digit.

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  16. Steve, Eugene, OR

    This is the height of absurdity!

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  17. Tom

    As a Michigan voter who voted uncommitted in the primary just because Obama’s name was not on the ballot. I’d like to remind the Clinton campaign that if they are going to claim the votes from Michigan for her, they are going to have to concede the 237,762 uncommitted votes to Obama which would still leave her around 130,000 votes behind him in popular vote. Hillary can’t claim the votes for her in Michigan without conceding some of the vote to Obama. In addition, she’s touting the 2.3 million voters to make the number sound more impressive, but it was 1,421,876 voters in the Democratic primary between the two states, the rest are from the Republican primary and don’t have any influence on her race.

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  18. Silly Season

    Michigan Voter
    "we kind of had to vote for you" uh, No one "had to vote" doh!

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  19. stogiecarmikal

    This lady should be a DJ because she is trying to spin everything. I wonder how would she be perceived if her name wasn't Clinton and she didn't start and end every statement with the words Senator Obama??

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  20. tom

    I am a Florida resident, will someone please logically explain to me why the primary votes in my state should now be counted when the election was thrown out due to the Party breaking its own rules? If I remember correctly, Clinton agreed that this was the case and the results would not be counted. As far as the tremendous turnout in Florida which she now so proudly refers to, the principal reason for the turnout was the homestead tax reduction issue that was on the ballot.

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  21. Peter

    Think about this
    You lose OHIO, PENNSYLVANIA, FLORIDA, MICHIGAn and the Presidency go Republican.
    Hillary 08

    April 24, 2008 12:50 pm at 12:50 pm |
  22. Michael

    Regardless of the past vote I think it is telling that she's eager to have a revote and he is not. Amazing how so many of Obama's supporter accuse Hillary of winning at all cost but in this case it appears Obama is suppressing people's vote just to maintain his edge. That sounds like a pretty low underhanded "do anything to win" tactic if ever I've seen one.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  23. And What?

    Okay, Barack supporters. Which is crazier, someone posing the same old insane question, or someone answering the same old insane question? I refuse to answer stupid questions. There is no debate Hillary, you are crazy–end of story. Take your meds, and leave us alone.

    Obama 08

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  24. mary

    If you're trying to convince superdelegates, keep it there, quit trying to "convince" those of us who have already voted or those who still want to vote on THE ISSUES.

    Kepp in mind, the strong Florida turnout was primarily fueled by a controversial property tax amendment that was also on the ballot. That amendment adversely affect homeowners – most of whom are elderly – a Hillary stronghold? The presidential ballot was an afterthought, as those smart, educated people had already been fully informed their democratic presidential vote would not count. But , you know, Hillary evidently doesn't give much credit to people to understnd the rules or know when the RULES ARE BROKEN there will be, as with any other incidence in life, consequences.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
  25. Bob

    Don't forget she's campaigning for superdelegates. Thats the only way she can win.

    April 24, 2008 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm |
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