April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. beans, belize C.A

    She sounded the same way when she was giving the Bosnia story. Now she is giveng another untrue story. I think desparation is setting in on the clinton campaign.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  2. Nowhere Man

    Hillary last fall on the Michigan primary : "It's clear: This election they're having is not going to count for anything. " she said. Yeah, didn't matter to her when she was waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyy ahead and didn't care. Obama was just a nobody way back there in her rearview mirror. Oops. Things changed.

    If a primary is held, but isn't really a primary, and counts for nuthin', did it really happen? According to the thinking of this truly delusional woman, it did. You Hillary supporters do realize that she is an irrational, delusional person (also see -> sniper fire, Chelsea was at the WTC, I hunted as a little girl in Ark even though I grew up in Ill, etc), who will say almost anything and believe it to be true. Anything.

    Obama '08!

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  3. Gloria

    Barack had the opportunity to put his name on the ballot and did in Michigan but later decided to remove it. Whose fault is that? We still have a government, of the people, by the people and for the people. Does that mean only Most of the people or ALL of the people? I think everyone who voted should have the right to have their vote count. Both of them were on the ballot in Florida and Hillary took that contest although neither candidate campaigned there.

    Michigan Voter, you say Hillary scares you? I cannot imagine why, she has done a lot of good things for this wonderful country of ours.

    I did not vote for Barack, although it has nothing to do with him, personally he seems like a nice young man, but I think he lacks the experience and values that Hillary Clinton has, and I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  4. RSP

    When will you publish pro-Hillary comments, CNN? I guess Obama people don't work, and can blog all day long, flooding the internet with their faith-based drivel. Hillary will be the nominee, and McCain will probably beat her. Obama is unelectable and the millions of pro-Obama posts you publish won't change that, CNN!

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  5. Stephen

    It was Obama's choice to be taken off the ballot in Michigan, so that he could pander to the people of Iowa.

    Michigan should count because people voted for Hillary, and although the state might not count, people did vote for her, therefore she is in fact winning the popular vote.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  6. Philly Boy

    Sad....... Plain ol Pathectic.......Poor Hillary.... What next.....I know you lead in all categories IF Florida and Michigan counted and IF you were a Republican. "IF I was a millionaire I wouldn't work" Please just keep to the fact...... Because I'm hearing one word "IF". Now do the real math. Wake UP

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  7. underdog

    African Americans (12% of the population) are all voting as a block for Obama- based on race, not the issues.

    Wouldn't it be great if WOMEN (52% of the population) would unite and vote as a block for Hillary- based on gender, not the issues?

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  8. Outrsged

    This is may be the most completely ridiculous argument ever made. Will some one in the news media please have the strength to, line by line, refute this logic. ShThere is so much Clinton-esque double talk here. And talk about closing the deal – wasn't Hillary the presumptive nominee rolling into Iowa, why Hillary cannot wrap up a nomination that was supposed hers from the beginning is something that needs to be asked as well? I don't think i could vote for her know, seeing the way the rules are being bent by her and the double talk – going back on your word about Florida and Michigan – is a game-ender.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  9. Madison , PA

    This lady Hillary is insane... How can she count Florida and Michigan when she knows thoses vote don't count... Is she playing with us? Does she think we are stupid..? she might lost her mind... !!! does she forgot she signed the rules... and recognize they won't count...?I don't get it... She does not deserve to be the president of the US... WE DESERVE BETTER.

    April 24, 2008 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm |
  10. bob

    Just wait until North Carolina, Hillary....your popular vote argument (if you can call it that) will be nullified. I really like how she spins things to make them seem like things are rosey in camp Hillary. I loved the ongoing onslaught about how Clinton was outspent 3-1. Well, Obama is running a lot better campaign than you. Also, you are already in the red. It was a strategy that worked 2 fold. He negated your name recognition and demographic advantages in Penn. Why can't Hillary win the young or affluent, or black vote? Secondly, his spending forced Hillary to spend way much more money than she had to try to keep up. Her campaign is bankrupt.

    If Hillary wins, I can imagine how the world will view the US since she changes the rules and moves the goalposts and spins things to benefit her. Superdelegates, how will the American institution of Democracy look to the rest of the world if Hillary is awarded the nomination when she lost the popular vote, the number of states won, and the number of delegates which was the metric agrred upon before the primary season began. Think about it.

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  11. Danny

    I agree with her.......she have more popular vote than Obama. Who care
    about Obama didn't have his name in the Michigan ballot.....you the one
    going to campaign for President and don't have name in ballot that's your
    problem even you pull out your name that is your problem too. She should be Democratic nominee now. Florida and Michigan should count.

    Hillary should be the next President of the United States.

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  12. James Friel

    Hilliary probably is ahead in the popular vote. The real issue is
    the states of Michigan and Florida, two huge states that went to Hilliary
    will probably not count in the Democratic primary. And that is a real shame for the Democratic party. Hiliary really has come out ahead in
    the biggest most important states that will be critical to defeat the Republicans in Nov. I do not think Obama will have enough support to win the most important states in the general election. I would give the edge to Hilliary to defeat John Mccain.

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  13. CL

    Before you Obamabots go off the deep end and say she's a liar and a cheat and all the other garbage you spew, just remember that nobody's perfect including Barack Obama, that everybody makes mistakes, that Barack Obama doesn't like being criticized on the issues. Every time his policies are justly criticized he ridicules his opponent by claiming it's unfair, racism, silly season, or that someone is lying. He can't handle Hillary much less the Republicans. This dog won't hunt. He'll make a good VP.

    As for Hillary's record, honesty, trustworthiness. What part of $70 million don't you understand?

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  14. David from Canada

    Caucus states??? Nice try Hillary, a popular vote argument is weak and irrelevant when a number of states chose the caucus route.

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  15. fairandstraight

    Only to the moderator. (DO NOT POST) Why are my comments always awaiting moderation and does not get posted? Send me any email if you have a problem with my comments.

    April 24, 2008 12:55 pm at 12:55 pm |
  16. Norisha


    OBAMA 2008!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  17. dee

    to Julie

    Obama never said he was against a revote in Michigan and Florida- He left it up to the party leadership to decide– and it came down to who was going to pay for it- the national Democratic body- Howard Dean and his ppl refused to pay.

    Plus both states could not present a feasible plan for a revote-
    I personally am against a revote- the party leaders in the Michigan and Florida knowingly went against Party rules- not punishing them gives off the message to other states that they can also do the same-

    April 24, 2008 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  18. Susie

    HRC pulled in 200,000 MORE popular votes than BO on Tuesday in one state alone. If you count the popular vote in Florida and Michigan (and how can we ignore them?), then HRC has this wrapped up.
    Could it be that BO himself, as well as some of his supporters, are starting to realize this? EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE EXPERIENCE

    April 24, 2008 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  19. pat

    does hillary really believe we are such idiots that we can't figure out who the real winner is so far??
    i am so sick of her and her superiority attitude. somebody help us before we all start thinking john mccain is not so bad!!
    why would obama want to waste any time debating with a harsh old mad woman? we are sooo ready to elect him and move on to take our world back from the republicans! hillary is trying her best to self destruct the democratic party. who's side is she on anyway??

    April 24, 2008 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  20. Angela

    More Clinton disortion. Will she ever see or speak the truth? The truth is that most people are tired of the lies, the same old political propaganda and we're tired of being ashamed of our politicians. I'm putting my faith in Barack, someone I can believe in and who makes me proud to be an American.

    April 24, 2008 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm |
  21. Interesting

    not counting the caucus votes is disgusting. She claims that Obama has supposedly "disenfranchised" the people of Florida and Michigan (even though she agreed with the decision to strip the delegates of their votes) and yet here she has claimed that because the system does not conform to her demands, the populations in all of those states do not count. If caucus voters were to represent 15 people (a conservative estimate) obama would be head by hundreds of thousands, even with florida and michigan

    April 24, 2008 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  22. Terry Sarigumba

    The Democrats should really consider very seriously their choice for the party's presidential standard bearer. Obama should not be that choice. If he is, American voters will put Michelle and Cindy McCain side by side. Michelle, known to have been harboring anti American sentiments in the past, cannot hold a candle to Cindy, very pretty, a successful businesswoman. As an independent having to choose between Obama and McCain, though, I will vote for Obama because to me, policy is more important than personality. But Obama may not make it. With so many negatives that have come to the fore, many Americans will doubt his capability to be commander in chief free from the influence big business, lobbyists and the sense of entitlement from the black community and his ability to make the quick and correct decisions. But really, the better DNC standard bearer should be Hillary Clinton. She is smart, experienced, kind, very good looking and has a very good looking family. Hillary will take America back from the ruins wrought by Bush and Cheney.

    Terry from Georgia

    April 24, 2008 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  23. Russell,NC

    This woman is nuts. If she wins the nomination, I will vote for McCain.

    April 24, 2008 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  24. MurphyMorseJohnson

    More Clintongue spin...The truth is that officially she does not have more votes. But, then again, if she says black is white enough times or she’s more honest than Lincoln and Washington enough times, maybe people will fall for it.

    April 24, 2008 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  25. Rogue

    This shows that Senator Clinton will disregard the rules of her own party that she original agreed to just to get what she wants. The President of the US should have ethics and interigty . This is great example she is setting for our youth. What would she do if she has the power of the presidency on her side.

    April 24, 2008 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
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