April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. kiki

    The careful research of the vote/delegates and primary/caucus history of this campaign clearly shows that irregularities and totally undemocratic situations exist. For example, Sen Obama received 320 delegates from a total of 390,238 caucus votes. This translates in 0.0082 delegates per vote. On the other hand Clinton receives 0.0010 delegate for primary vote. It means that every caucus vote is worth 8 times more than each primary vote. Totally unfair and non-democratic.
    Maybe the "super delegates" should bring fairness to the process, "super delegates" may not be very democratic but the caucuses are even less democratic and make no sense since a few activists dominate the "smoke filled" caucus rooms….

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  2. Greg, NY

    In caucuses there is no popular vote tally. You don't know the real numbers therefore the popular vote shouldn't be the way the race is decided. It leaves out every state that had a caucus.

    Now, I know Hillary said that caucus states don't matter, but she also said that every vote should count, which is why she's counting Florida and Michigan. So, if every vote counts and caucuses are technically votes, then you either count them too or you don't count the popular vote at all.

    In either case, Obama is still ahead.

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  3. Mark

    Hillary would kill to be President. She has no moral fiber or she would not be with her cheating husband. She will bend the rules ignore the rules change the rules anything and everything to win. She says she is doing it for the Ameriacan people. Anyone that can vote for this person has a screw loose.

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  4. Southerner For Obama

    Now you can see for yourself, that is she is elected President, the american people will be lied to and she will definitely distort the truth about any situation to make herself look good. This woman is dangerous!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  5. the very best one

    Clinton- simply the best.

    At just under 50% ONLY because of Dirty politics-
    Obama played the race card well early on in SC
    The flawed and undemocratic caucus format favored Obama
    Disenfranchised Hillary voters in Fl and Mi
    The pro-Obama media bias
    The Anti-Hillary media bias
    The lack of scrutiny of Obama
    The throttling of Hillary

    Imagine where she would be if there had been a fair and level playing field?

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  6. R Garcia

    Here's one thing the MEDIA, and Hillary Needs to be asked, How is that the popular vote, when 45% of the people in Michigan voted for "OTHER?" Add the other percentage to Obama's campaign, and she can't sing her false song anymore. Let's also take into effect that caucuses and primaries are counted different, and if you count caucus and primary numbers, Barack will be ahead by about 700,000 more votes, + what he is ahead right now so that would = 1.3 million votes ahead. Give it up HIllary. Why won't anyone ask her if she's playing the race card? Is there a biast brewing for WHITE Hillary? Who needs to use Osama Bin Laden in commercials and say Obama's using Karl Rove's playbook? First the red phone, and now Osama's back? She started as a republican, and has always been one. She should try to be Mccain's VP

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  7. OR for Obama

    Why do people blame Sen. Obama when it comes to FL. & MI votes. It's not like he controls the dem. party. The rules were agreed upon by both candidates. If Hillary gets her way and allows these two states to count, then that doesn't say much for our government. It just shows me that it is okay to make rules and laws, but under certain circumstances they can be broke to benifit one person over another. To me, Hillary is just showing that she doesn't give a hoot about anybody...she just wants the nomination at any cost.

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  8. smith

    Hillary Clinton is a very smart, a very well calculated person. She knew when to strike to get her point, and has very good skill, in term, how to brainwash the people at very critical point.

    She will do whatever it takes to get her throne, period !

    She has been putting herself interests above party, and no questions, she will put herself and her family interests above this country. Her first lady records tell us all. We, are the people, who have been (and will be) used to achieve her interests, yes, like her puppet. The world is watching her game and is laughing us !

    Prove ? google 'peter paul and clinton'. She should have a court date soon.

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |
  9. carol wilson

    she is a quack. Talk about republican playbook. I believe she wrote it too with missing pages about her doing all of the wrong doing. Her math and numbers are just retarded.

    April 24, 2008 01:10 pm at 1:10 pm |


    April 24, 2008 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  11. MD in OK

    She's applying another one her tactics to get the superdelegates to side with her. When will she stop? This women really knows how to spin the facts. I don't want a president who spins. We get enough of that on FOX News.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  12. Jordan - San Marcos TX


    I will join you on the streets of Denver if the elite superdelegates believe Clinton's lies and overturn the national will of the voters and delegates they elected.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  13. Fran

    I guess this is the "change" that Obama has been talking about all this time. The new politics he wants is to disenfranchise millions of voters because they didn't vote for him. Now that is a change I can live without. Imagine what else he would do for this country that will discredit Americans and their voices just because it doesn't suit his needs. Oh that's right, we just had 8 years of that with Bush. We need change alright, but not Obama's kind of change. Count Florida and Michigan and let the people decide on their nominee.

    April 24, 2008 01:13 pm at 1:13 pm |
  14. Lawrence

    Last time I checked, Obama was the one who is ahead in the popular vote, as well as the pledged delegate count. I guess someone is suffering from a severe case of senior moments for both Michigan and Florida's votes do not count for the DNC axed their delegates WITH HER SUPPORT!!!!

    Why can't people realize this or are they just forgetful like she is?

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  15. DRS

    HRC will do/say anything to sway the superdelegates. She was the only person on the ballot in Michigan and they all agreed not to campaign in Florida. WHY IS THIS EVEN NEWSWORTHY? Someone she say to her, "SHUT UP" with this foolishness. You are losing and trying every imaginable trick to STEAL the election. I can't wait for her to lose in N.C. and IN and GO HOME!!! GIVE ME A BREAK!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  16. Linda from DC

    This is why I will never vote for her. The truth regularly eludes her.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  17. Monica, Texas

    Speaking of new math....This is 'Clinton math'......lol

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  18. David in Illinois

    Only in Clinton's math would this be the case. Smoke and mirrors, "fuzzy math," outright lies. She just CANNOT play by the rules (Michigan and Florida do NOT count), which is not a good characteristic for somebody who will be commander in chief and a potential leader of the free world. Who will TRUST her??????
    She CANNOT be trusted now, nor has anyone ever been able to trust her. No more moving the goal post Billary!!
    The best math we could have from Billary is subtraction from the race, NOW.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  19. berksdan

    More creative accounting from Sen Clinton and her campaign.

    I find it curious that she – who insists that every vote counts – is eager to disallow all the voters who participated in caucuses.

    And she is happy to accept the votes in Michigan, although her opponent wasn't even on the ballot! This sounds like Soviet-era politics. I WON! SEE! (no one will notice that no one ran against me...)

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  20. TGO in CT

    Had Obama been on the ballot, I'm sure he would have campaigned there. Since it wasn't , his priorities changed and he utilized his time else where. In this case, he followed party rules... The only reason this really became an issue was because Hillary made it one when she began losing. Let face it, the Florida and Michigan knew what they were doing was against party rules so it was a smart move by Barak to not worry about it. Had Hillary been ahead at this moment, nothing would have been said about this issue.
    Its time for Hillary to pack it in and let the party focus on winning in November.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  21. Rebecca

    So why should we be surprised about this? She has lied about everything else.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  22. LT

    Hillary Clinton is lying again....surprise, surprise. Educated Americans don't vote for liars, Hillary. Go on back to DC/PA/NY/AR or whereever you're from.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  23. Mark Cross Junction VA

    I didn't think Clinton was popular among any group. You must mean popular among the polyester textile pantsuit makers.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  24. Geri

    Michigan voter... you didn't have to vote for her, you could have voted uncommitted or as long as the vote wasn't going to count not vote at all. I would think the people of Michigan and Florida would be so up in arms over not being able to vote that they would really go after Howard Dean and make him do something. Iowa wasn't penalized for moving their caucus up so they could remain 1st in the nation. Make some noise and let your voices be heard.....you are part of the Usa and there are 50 states not 48. Maybe someone could tell me why Puerto Rico has 55 delegates that count for the candidate but they don't go to the convention and they can't vote in GE??

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
  25. Florida For Obama

    She has officially lost her friggin mind. I mean WOW, winning the nomination by theft is her goal? The DNC has to be in amazement at the audacity of this lady's logic. And they call Barack arrogant? For a moment I am ashamed to be a democrat. She has sunk lower than the republicans.

    April 24, 2008 01:14 pm at 1:14 pm |
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