April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. The Truth

    Not to mention the Republicans that voted for her with ill intent on prolonging the race the supers are stupid they see and know what's going on and to make these arguments suggest she thinks they are stupid....how insulting!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm |
  2. Jon in Texas

    That's like saying you have more wins at the end of the season when other teams haven't finished all of their games. Does she really think we're that stupid??

    Go ahead and chalk up Pennsylvania to McCain, regardless who the democratic nominee is.

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  3. cecil

    She started with a lead of almost 20 points. But her final margin was 9.2% period. CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC Just state the facts please, you have them!

    This was no blowout.

    All those White Americans really help her in Penn.
    All those African Americans really help Sen. Obama in Penn..

    Clinton faces uphill battle in North Carolina, welcome to Obamas world.

    9.2% in Sen Hillary play ground not bad . Lets see how she does in NC.

    Obama Supporters Lets continue to give of our time and money.

    Sen. Obama 08

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  4. Greg

    There is simply no way she could win this nomination, barring an absolutely huge blunder by Obama.

    1) Obama has an insurmountable lead in Pledged Delegates. He will end up with at the very least a 100+ lead in these delegates by the time the primaries are done.

    2) Obama is winning over the Superdelegates slowly but surely. He has accumulated far more of these delegates than Clinton since Super Tuesday and this trend will continue. She now barely leads in this category.

    3) The Democratic party leaders understand one very unavoidable fact. There is absolutely no scenario wherein Clinton could win the nomination without destroying the Democratic party in the process. They know that they would be losing 100% of the African American vote as well as most of the Indepedents and young voters. Not to mention the ugliness that would overtake the Democratic convention and beyond. You think the uproar over the Rodney King incident was bad? This scenario would be an absolute catastrophy for the Democrats. They would have zero chance to win in the general election under such circumstances.

    4) Florida and Michigan are not going to be counted under any circumstances.

    5) Clinton will lose North Carolina and Oregon by large margins and at best will barely win in Indiana. This will not allow her to get any real momentum to try and convince the Superdelegates that Obama is not electable.

    6) Whether or not Clinton climbs out of debt, she will never get close to catching Obama in raising money (as a matter of fact I am going to go contribute more to Obama right after I finish writing this post). Even if she could (and she can't) there is only one more state left where paid advertising could actually help and that is nowhere near enough to make any difference.

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  5. Kathryn Irby - Metairie, LA

    Hillary Clinton is the most devisive individual I have ever heard of!!! She loves to play her little stupid games!!! She will feel humiliated when she has to deliver her concession speech! Go Obama!

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  6. something has to change

    Look I know some say its not fair to count these but something has to give. You are disinfrancising 2 states however, you have millions of voters upset that she can win all these HUGE states and they walk away with shared delegates. That is not fair either. I think the DNC needs to decide something soon other wise you have a lot of voters other then MI and FL that will be disinfrancised.

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  7. Mike from Westchester

    File this one under "give me a break, Hillary." But that file folder is already overflowing. Suspension of reality once again?

    I don't know which is worse, that she might be a serial liar or that she might be delusional.

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  8. Rom

    Gimme a break!!!
    Pack your belongings, you're done !

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  9. mitch from ark.

    rule breaker!this is why we can't let hillary win.she will break the rules whenever it's in her best interests.we don't have the time to deal with another impeachment,because she can't follow the rules.

    April 24, 2008 12:24 pm at 12:24 pm |
  10. Cal Dem

    As anyone really buying this?

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  11. rj

    She didn't win by 10 points. Wasn't it 9.3 points? she doesn't have a leg to stand on.

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  12. Mike

    Actually Senator Clinton would be correct!

    Even though those states are currently controversial in regards to the delegates being seated, Florida & Michigan voters spoke via voting for Senator Clinton.

    Even though Obama didn't campaign in Florida, it still doesn't diminish the fact that Florida supports Senator Clinton.

    A "do-over" would certainly prove that!

    Go Hillary!!!!!!!

    Resolve this already, Clinton=President, Obama=Vice President,
    Clinton for 8 years (Obama gains experience). Obama=President for 8 years, Democrats in control for 16 years.

    If the Republicans remain in power (after all this debating, with these two candidates, who could work together), then what egg the Democrats will have on their faces.

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  13. Nancy

    If the votes in Florida and/or Michigan are counted, I will move to another country. There will and should be an uprising in this country if that happens. They call this a Democracy??? Don't do it DNC.

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  14. tina

    Whatever Hillary! Did you forget that Barack was NOT even on the ballot in Michigan?? Did you forget that your the ONLY one that threw money at Florida?? This must be another "misspoke" ideology! Grow up and throw in the towel Hillary. We all have the ability to twist any story or number, but this takes the cake...you win on the twisters!

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  15. Sick & Tired

    If Florida and Michigan are counted? They do not and will not count! More of the Clintons' lies and delusions. What is amazing to me is that people actually believe this crap. I guess that is why the majority of her supporters are less educated, don't like change or owe the Clintons favors.

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  16. Jay Shah

    Incredible....the only way she has more popular vote is if she counts a big fat ZERO for Obama out of michigan. I think this lady is on crack. She needs to be kicked out of this country for making a mockery of our democratic process

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  17. JHR Arizona

    Please people send her back to New York where she belongs. You have to be out of your mind to vote for her. You really want Billary out there??

    A New Queen and a court jester, we just had King George, please save the Country before it is too late

    April 24, 2008 12:25 pm at 12:25 pm |
  18. Kelley

    oh how she spins

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  19. Marshall

    Hillary "Just make up or change the rules as I go to suit my needs" Clinton is at it again.

    I am tired of FL and MI. They know going into it their votes would not count and all the candidates agreed to the DNC ruling. Why is it now a big deal. They knowingly broke the rules. It is called "Justice". Paying for your crimes.

    I do feel sorry for the people of FL and MI. They need to properly place the blame where it belongs with the state party officials who established the voting date that broke the DNC rules. It is not the fault of anybody else.

    Thank you for posting this CNN.

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  20. John, PA

    this is just another one of her sniper fire mis-speaks!!!


    It's to early in the day for her to mis-speaking!!

    OBAMA 08!

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  21. SS

    ***NEWS FLASH***

    Hillary is NOT ahead in the popular vote.....Michigan and Florida are out....You can't change the game midstream.....I think we all say this when you held a "fundraiser" in Florida before the primary....Americans know that Hillarys numbers don't add up...I hope the Clinton camp isn't counting on those votes, she will be sadly mistaken when the DNC tells you that you have to play by the rules.....Who cares about how much Obama spent in PA.....He's not losing sleep at night....

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  22. Veterans For Obama

    This lady thinks she can move the goalposts at will....she will try and change what "win" means just like her husband tried to change what the word "is" was during his impeachment.

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  23. The Young & Educated for Obama

    You are DISGUSTING!
    You can fool the few people who dont know but you cant fool the many who do!

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  24. Jeff - Dallas

    Cut me a break. Prior to the primarys, Hillary agreed with the DNC's decision that Florida and Michigan's votes should not count as a penalty to moving their dates up. She AGREED!
    Unlike her rivals, she did NOT remove her name from Michigan's ballot. Hmmmm, maybe that gave her a slight edge???
    Unlike her rivals, she engaged in "campaign fundraisers" in Florida BEFORE their primary. All of the events covered by the press by the way, in the days leading up to thier election. Maybe another slight edge????
    Now,she sees that she needs their votes, and claims that they should be counted in COMPLETE CONTRADICTION to her original stance. Mid-game she wants to change the rules, because they favor her.
    Isn't this kind of like how Bush's people manipulated the Florida vote to their favor in 2000?
    Do we really need more of this political BS in the White House? Her years of experience that she touts is all the wrong kind of experience.

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
  25. Jan From Florida

    She absolutly right... I live in Fla and I voted for her. If it
    were reversed believe me Obama's camp would be screaming to have all those votes counted. They didn't want to have a re vote in
    Mich and Fl because they knew they would LOOSE.

    Let them each take their votes, both were on the ballot in Fla.

    April 24, 2008 12:26 pm at 12:26 pm |
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