April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. Anyone but a Republican

    I believe the only important thing about this election is NOT to vote in a Republican! Obama and Clinton are very similar on their issues it seems to come down to personality preference. I don't understand how people feel so strongly that Obama is leagues above Clinton. I believe both are more qualified than Sen. McCain. Our economy is suffering immencely how can continuing oversees improve our economic conditions and our security? We need our budget to be spent on improving America rather than fighting a war that is killing our troops, terrorism can never be stopped! Bring our troops home!

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  2. Desiree

    This really could have been settled if Barack Obama would let the people of Michigan and Florida vote again. He doesn't want them to vote because he fears he will lose. How can he call himself an uniter when he wants to leave out millions of people in two states?

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  3. Frank from NJ

    Of course she has more votes, she is Hillary Clinton, that is the way it is supposed to be. Unfortunately someone else came into "her" sandbox, she's mad, is having a temper tantrum and is kicking sand all over the place.

    I think she would prefer McCain to beat Obama so she can have another shot in 2012. She is doing a pretty good job of setting that up.

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  4. Amazed at Work

    <> – judie, Oakland

    You've got to be kidding me, right? One is ahead. It simply amazes me how the media continually allows Hilary to say these seemingly ignorant things.

    Using Hilary's logic, Al Gore really has been the president these last eight years. All those votes that got "lost" in Florida, no....they actually counted. Gore simply chose to run the country from his home, and not the freaking White House. Give me a break.

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  5. Michigan Voter

    You had my vote in the primary Clinton and lost for the general! To quote the Dread Pirate Roberts: "We are (wo)men of action, lies do not become us"

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  6. DD

    Why the Michgacan votes cannot be counted? oh, Obama was not on the ballot.

    But it's HIS choice. He and his campiagn cannot blame others but themselves. And he cannot use this as an excuse to exclude Michigan votes. Could he or anyone complains that if he had have chosen not to campaign for a democratic candidate, and people didn't vote for him? He's very smart in words and things like this, always has excuses and always somebody else was wrong! Enough already!

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |
  7. Amy

    No matter how you count, bottom line is come November, Michigan and Florida votes will count. Who is polling stronger in these two states against McCain? Historically, the winning Presidential candidate took these states 83% of the time in the past six elections. Both states carry hefty electoral college votes, and have we not yet all learned that popular vote really means nothing when push comes to shove. Show me whom can take the most electoral votes come November and win for the Democrats. That is all that really matters in the long run. All this banter just is candy for the Republicans!

    April 24, 2008 01:19 pm at 1:19 pm |


    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  9. Sabotaged

    I never thought I would live to see the democratic party and the DNC swiftboat their own best candidate in decades.

    Write in Hillary Clinton no matter what.

    Do not permit election fixing and rigging in the USA.

    Stand up for fair play and justice.

    A level playing field- vs the media American Idol celebrity circus we have witnessed for over a year now.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  10. Gideon

    If you count the votes she got in the Senatorial race – she's even further ahead. GO HILLARY!

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  11. SBvoter

    If Florida and Michigan voters are not included we will lose in Novermber.
    Thats a fact. Obama has blocked any kind of revote. He knows that he will lose the popular vote and it will be stolen from Hillary.
    72% of catholics and women and seniors in PA voted for Hillary. Do that math. We will lose in November because Obama is weak, a whinner and he needs to grow up.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  12. OBAMA '08

    Ridiculous Hillary! Just ridiculous!
    Why the hell is she counting her Michigan votes when Barack Obama wasn't even on the ballots?? She isn't ahead in anything except the superdelegates but that'll change soon!!!
    Hillary its time to quit!!!

    Obama '08 change is on the way!!

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  13. Joel

    HIllary, please stop lying and distorting the truth to sway the uninformed populace. It is clear that is your intention. You are behaving like the Republicans. There's an idea – how about you switch parties – you already have the campaign tactics and talking points down.

    GO [away] HILLARY!

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  14. Mad in Florida

    If Obama gets the nomination and they don't count my vote I will be livid!

    I swear I'll put McCain signs all over my neighborhood, hand out pamplets, everything I can do in the name of spite. If he wins fine, but without counting all the votes, NO.

    I NEVER agreed to change our primary, some elected DNC guys at the capital did, most people knew NOTHING about it

    That is wrong plain and simple. Just like it was wrong with Gore.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  15. Obama 08

    Oh I forgot to change my screen name. I've decided.

    April 24, 2008 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  16. Women!

    Women, learn from the African American community...

    Unite behind the female candidate.

    It is not sexist (nor racist) it is just identifying with your own and casting a ballot.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  17. Carl LaFerney

    They are both right and wrong. Count up ALL votes, and Hillary is on top, but don't count the ones being removed, and Obama is slightly on top...

    hilarious, but what's even funnier to me are the comments made by you democrats. Makes me proud to not be affiliated with some of you...

    Most likely scenario. Democrats control house and senate, but McCain wins the election because he actually doesn't mind working with democrats and republicans together to solve an issue. Ronald Reagan like... his only weaknesses are Iraq and his age... that's it...

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  18. Pete, NC

    Camp Clinton math is fuzzy like her $10 million in 24hrs, what a joke! even at $100 x 60,000 donors= 6,000,0000?

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  19. Thomas

    Hmm...did anybody else notice that Hillary hasn't mentioned Florida or Michigan for the last several weeks. Now it's all her folks can talk about.

    There's a reason for it.

    Hillary is a savvy politician. She knows how political machines at local levels work. She knew that re-votes in those states were never going to work out because of the resouces, finances, logistics, time, etc.

    She left her name on the ballot in those states knowing that the votes wouldn't count.

    She did so knowing that she could then play the media and public by acting so concerned that those voters weren't going to be counted.

    But once all the talk of re-votes were quashed, she had to let the issue die for awhile because she knew one big fat factor...Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan and every poll shows that if a re-vote were held, he would likely beat her in that state.

    And with that re-vote would go any chance that she would win the delegate and/or popular votes.

    Make no mistake. All of Clinton's laments about the voters in Florida and especially Michigan was specious.

    She needs Michigan to remain off the books for her continued candidacy to have any shred of legitimacy.

    With a Michigan re-vote, Pennsylvania wouldn't have mattered.

    Not that it did anyway.

    Hillary is getting to be too much like George Bush to me: unwilling to admit that it's time to get out.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  20. Jim Shimmer

    Clinton will stoop to any low to win. She sucks! period.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  21. BL.Houston

    Remember the electoral college, you have to win the big states to win the Presidency and Hillary has won all of them but one. So all you Obama "kool aid" drinking supporters get real. Obama is fatally flawed and nothing, no nothing can put the genie back in the bottle.


    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  22. AMG

    Look at the Gallup and CNN polls. "College educated" voted 51%-49% for Obama. Post graduate people, PhDs, Masters MDs etc voted 51% to 49% for Clinton. Please get informed.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  23. no2clinton, cambridge, MA

    Hillary actually has 100% of the popular vote, if you don't count southern states, caucus states, anyone not voting for her, etc, etc. This is very democratic indeed.

    April 24, 2008 01:21 pm at 1:21 pm |
  24. Matt - Florida

    Honestly Hill, your are shameless. How can you stand there telling such bald-faced lies? Have you no integrity? I will not vote for you, and I will not vote for McCain (but at least he's not a blatant liar). My politics are about principle, which you clearly lack.

    Thank you Obama for trying to bring a modicum of decency to politics.

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
  25. Give Me a Break

    Now how stupid do you think we are?

    April 24, 2008 01:22 pm at 1:22 pm |
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