April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. Bitter Voter 08

    Hey BK, Obama removed his name because they went against the party rules. Atleast he cares what rules are – UNLIKE Hillbilly. By the way, hillbilly spoke out against them moving their primaries up also, not just Barrack, she just didn't care to abide by them. Please report fairly.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  2. Scott

    Hillary, please for the good of the country, take a long walk off a short pier. This is so pathetic, but I guess I should not be surprised. Remember how her logic works, and cut her some slack, I mean the poor women is obviously still reeling from those meanie weanie sniper attacks while she was in Bosnia saving the civilized world. Thank God she barrelrolled out of her plane, judo-chopped the bad guys and protected all those people. Oh wait....thaaat's right, that was a lie, like every other word out of her mouth. Wake up you silly Clintonites.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  3. TJ

    This woman is delusional! The media needs to stop accepting her lies and call her out on them!

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  4. Asian Voter

    I enjoyed the Clinton years in the White House. I made good money on my 401K and now I have my own small business.

    Since all the candidates name was on Florida's ballot they should count it. Michigan need to do a re-vote.

    I was disappointed with Sen. Obama's friends. In my opinion they have issues with morality. What else is he hiding? At least with Hillary all her dirt are out.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  5. James

    Wow! The idiocy of her claim is astounding. The fact that she would go public with the claim that she has the popular vote lead is beyond belief. Clinton will do anything to try and "sway" people to her position. Absolutely incredible. I wouldn't vote for Clinton if she was the only one on the ballot!

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  6. Women!

    She is ahead.

    Since when do we allow party leaders to make "rules" that deny the people their constitutional right to vote?

    Election fixing is unAmerican.

    Don't punish the people for the sins of the party officials.

    If Obama wins by cheating it is no win at all and we will see the consequences in Nov.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  7. Frank, Dayton, Ohio

    If I was Hillary's campaign manager, I would steer clear of reminding people that she double-crossed the Democratic Party on Florida and Michigan. She pledged to support the party's rules, then left her name on the ballot in Michigan and was quick to try to legitimize the vote in Florida that the party universally condemned.

    Claims like this make her sound like the morally-deficient person that people dislike in such great numbers.

    April 24, 2008 01:26 pm at 1:26 pm |
  8. Hendricks Carroll

    "This Fella". It was like "Hey Fella" a term used by those who refuse to show respect to African Americans.

    I could not believe my ears when I heard it from Gloria Borger who was commentating with Anderson Cooper this morning around 7AM. It was so unprofessional. After all, his name is Barack Obama, right? Or Senator Obama, right? But to use a "street slang" usually adopted by people showing disrespect to African-Americans, it so out of tune for CNN.

    Anderson Cooper has my respect and he needs to have people around to maintain the professionalism CNN holds. I may know street slang from my kids, but when I show up to work, I leave it on the streets.

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  9. sallyB

    As a McCain suporter, I want to thank all the Hillary and Obama people for ripping each other apart and showing all of their flaws! Keep up the good work and dont support each other in November. Thank you!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  10. Belle

    This is a very close race for the nomination. NEITHER candidate has won. Democratic turnout has been the largest in history, probably will continue to be in the remaining primaries.

    Clinton AGREED to NOT campaign. SHE DISAGREED about Not counting the votes. The day after FL and MI she called for the votes to be counted. So Obama fans say stripping the delegates ALSO means the millions of voters that showed up to vote, don't count either...NICE...a good way to lose both states in the general election...seems pretty dumb to me for an "educated, affluent person."

    Then the bloggers that call Clinton a liar. Who would want to be part of a campaign like that? Especially when Obama himself has lied more than Clinton during this campaign!!!

    Then we have Michelle Obama asking for "MORE WHITE PEOPLE" on the stage behind her.

    Whatever happened to Americans? Which covers WAY more than black or white.

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  11. Wolf

    Michigan voter.....duh! You must have missed the memo that if you were not for Clinton to vote uncommitted.........it is the highly educated that vote for Obama-LOL!!!

    I am concerned as to the perception that this is a lie that Clinton has stated........read the comment carefully and apply those 'educated brains' and it is the truth – she made no mis-statement.....and for the Obama supporters – it is part of the equation and your insistance and Senator Obama's insistance to disenfranchise the Michigan and Florida voters that leaves your candidate UNELECTABLE in November!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    A vote for Obama is a vote for McCain – a vote for Clinton is a vote for the Democratic White House in January!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  12. John Smith

    I guess "folks" in small towns and states are "smarter and more educated" than folks in the BIG states!! Hillary is from NY–

    NY, PA, FL, CA etc. (except TX), continue to amaze us! Just look at the "wisdom" of the smaller states– Indianna, NC, Iowa etc.– . Left to them, this madness would have been over with before now!!

    April 24, 2008 01:27 pm at 1:27 pm |
  13. Megan

    In response to Julie in Oakland, CA –

    Obama doesn't want a re-vote to 'wrap this up' because a) it would be expensive and time consuming for the states, who at the beginning, knew they would be disqualified (where is the personal responsibility?) and b) because the democrats who chose to vote Republican in the primary (knowing the votes would not be used and they could leverage their votes for their favored candidate) would be disqualified from voting in any upcoming re-vote. It is unfair to people, regardless or whether a re-vote were to happen or not. Why not choose to not waste the money and hold the states accountable?

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  14. Kitty, Denver, CO.

    Why do you not include the caucus votes? Is it because using even low estimates of those votes puts Obama at 2-3 million ahead in the popular vote? SLANTED!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  15. jason

    didn't she also claim to land under sniper fire or something? are we still believing everything she throws at us?

    i find it odd that, when clinton discovers something negative about herself, the first thing she does is accuse obama of that something: "he's copying me." "he has no appeal." "he's using negative campaign tactics out of carl rove's handbook." et cetera...

    now it's "he's losing the popular vote."

    lies lies lies...

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  16. Michael Templer

    couple things

    Barack has a 500k lead at least

    Clinton is breaking the pledge she took before Iowa and New Hampshire

    and if the people of New Hampshire knew she was going to break it we wouldn't be having this conversation would we it would have been over on
    Jan 9th.

    that said trying to count Florida and Michigan

    would be the equivalent at the end of a baseball season

    and the team that's down wants to count exhibition games that Barack
    didn't compete in

    and a Inter squad game where he didn't compete

    to with the division

    now I said that Barack was up by 500k atleast

    that doesn't count the caucuses which could be another 600k net vote gain for Barack

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  17. Richard Lewis


    The Supers and the educated public which all support Obama know the truth. Hillary also says she honest, trustworthy, will work for the people, etc... and those are all lies so we now have one more to add to her never ending list of crap.

    Republicans for Obama in 08!!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  18. Niky

    Is she out of her mind?!

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  19. Ralph clinton

    this tells us why she can only win the less educated (non college grads). they are the only once who can believe the lies that come out of hillary"s mouth. This debacle should be a leason for parents to make sure their kids go to school and at least graduate college with some understanding of mathematics, so we can avoid a repeat of this fiasco. This woman is unbelievable!!

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  20. Charlie Raleigh

    Honestly...Must this continue... Please stop posting these articles if they are not factual.. Enough already. I know she said it, but do we have to make a story out of it. I mean really...(OSU Football Coach) Mike Gundy –Youtube him if you don't know) ....And the editor who let it come out is garbage!

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  21. Independent

    It makes perfect sense. Obviously, Obama would have gotten zero votes in Michigan regardless! So it is perfectly acceptable for her to take her 55% and give him zero.

    How could that be unfair?

    (Please note the sarcasm).

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  22. Obama Voter 08

    Wow cnn you censured my comment about Clinton's court hearing about Campaign fraud either today or tommorrow and didn't even put it out there. How interesting....

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  23. Tony Z- MD

    Just funny. HRC the Goal Post mover.

    April 24, 2008 01:28 pm at 1:28 pm |
  24. Alex, MA

    Here we go. Lying non-stop express. What a sleaze

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
  25. Marty

    What is she smoking? This woman is delusional. She makes the rules as she goes along. What will be the next goalpost.? All the other opponents didn't enter the contest because it didn't count. She broke the rules.... entered.... won and wants to count results which were illegal.

    April 24, 2008 01:29 pm at 1:29 pm |
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