April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. Nana

    This is yet another pitiful example of "CLINTON TRICKNOLOGY".

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  2. Eva, VA

    Clinton's math is the "Climath". She forgot to count the Colombians.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  3. Ernesto Lopez

    Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I'm tired and I feel like I need to say it, I hate this woman!, people who have said she's a monster I thought they were overreacting, but now I understand, she's an inscrupulous lier and manipulator, she only seems to care about herself, she doesn't really care about people, she doesn't really care about the democratic party, she just wants to win, I hate her!.

    You Hillary are full of lies, you supported NAFTA for years, you supported the war on Irak, now you are promting a war on Iran, you lied about Bosnia trip multiple times, you lied about you daugther being in danger on 9/11 and it was your own daugther who had to uncover the truth, you lied about that woman who was denied of medical treatment, yet you kept using her in your campaign, you lied about being instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland, you lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether you would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries, you lied to people saying you began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did, you started a war of negative attacks against Obama and you're destroying the democrat party and you blame Obama for that, etc. etc.

    How much people are going to take from her?, don't you people care about yourselves?, have some self esteem god dammit

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  4. Kristina

    Hillary clearly said several times (no play or twist on words )... that the states that REALLY matter are PA and Ohio- and she won them.....so that means..to all you Hillary supporters and Obama supporters that don't live in either of these states (including myself)-–your vote doesn't/didn’t matter! It’s merely an insult to people outside of PA and Ohio. If only the people in PA and Ohio make the decision of who will become president, what’s the point of anyone voting who are outside these states? Even if historically, the “trend” has been this way- this is a new election with different, UNHISTORIAL candidates.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  5. Jack in ND

    ""Last time I checked, Florida and Michigan are both part of the United States of America.""

    Which makes one wonder why they violated the national rules.

    You don't get to have it both ways. 48 other states didn't.

    April 24, 2008 01:33 pm at 1:33 pm |
  6. hrp

    Another lie from Clinton. She is NOT ahead in popular votes and if you believe what she says you are just another manipulated minion.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  7. Nicole

    When Hillary Clinton speaks of giving "disenfranchised" voters a voice in the democratic voting process, she is only doing so because she believes she would have the advantage. Unfortunately Florida and Michigan broke DNC party rules by choosing to hold their primaries early. These states effectively took their peoples' voice away from them. Obama was not on the Michigan ticket, nor did he campaign in Florida, so he was not given the opportunity to "beat" Clinton in the polls. She "won" Florida by default, but neither candidate got the delegates either state would have offered had the rules not been violated. It is clear that Clinton's argument is a grab for the nomination by spinning the numbers to fit "Clinton mathematics". She's square-pegging the numbers to fit a round hole. Typical.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  8. Marleen

    Hillary says a lot of things. CNN seems to favour her; they have her picture on CNN site Barack Obama. Obama out spent her for more than one reason; Obama has pushed Hillary further into debt. He pushed her into showing the ugliest side of the Clinton's and Hillary's sniper personality is what you will see when she is pushed to the wall and blows up Iran. Obama will always think things through.

    Americans take a better look at the big picture; do you really want Hillary to represent you to the rest of the world.

    enough already


    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  9. hate

    Goes to show-
    hatred, name-calling, mocking, demeaning, denigrating and insulting half of the electorate will BACKFIRE.

    Obama supporters are so hateful- I could never vote for a candidate whose supporters are so childish and judgemental and disrespectful of others.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  10. Tina/Seattle Washington

    When this all started I was really undecided I really liked Hillary/Bill Clinton, he is from my home state. I have just watched over the months how she and Bill have changed stories to fit them. Both Hillary and Barack agreed not to campaign/count Michigan and Florida and now that she is trailing she wants to go back and count. If she was winning she would care less about thoes votes. I am a Barack supported now, but at one time was behind Hillary. I just can't stand the attacking that is going on. Has she lost her mind and willing to do anything for the nomination??????

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  11. SCC

    His name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan. Nothing more needs to be said. How could anyone with half a brain cell think that counting those votes would be fair in any way.

    Get over it Hillary. YOU'VE LOST!!!

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  12. Kyle

    Obama received 33% of the vote in FL, more then John Edwards, who is known by FL voters. And he ran a national cable ad that ran in FL. He cannot argue that people did not know who he was. Hillary did not campaign in FL eigther. He chose to remove his name from the Michigan Ballot. The people who did not want to vote for HIllary chose "undeclared" or one of the other candidates whose names were on the ballot. So she did not receive votes from those that did not want to vote for her. And some of the states that held caucuses did not take official voting counts, therefore they are not official.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  13. Dee

    Oh, ok...so, she leads in the popular, like she was taking sniper fire.

    Go have a shot and a beer and go away!


    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  14. pat

    obama need to be season he can run in 2012 an win easily so let her have he dues, shell make a good president, shell do what she says she will keep her word to the american people, because she really cares about this country i dont think your really thinking all this out, this is a really bad time for a newbe if he fails we all will suffer an i dont want that.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  15. Mike from Syracuse NY

    Even if you throw out MI because Obama wasn't on the ballot, if the votes of FL (where both were on the ballot) are counted, Clinton is ahead in popular vote. So DNC, what are you going to do if the difference between the winner and loser are the MI and FL votes, or just the FL votes? You guys made a huge deal of not doing a 45th recount in FL in 2000; how about doing a first count in 2008?

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  16. Bruce Taylor, Berkeley, CA


    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  17. Jason from Chicago

    Oh please, she wins 1 state by 9% that she is projected to win by greater than 20% and she wants to start counting eggs that have hatched with premature chicks who eventually died off anyways (talkin about Michigan and Florida). Ya know, I bet she even goes as far as to say that the 40% of the people who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan could be for either her or Obama. Talk about tipping the scales in your favor. Clinton is delusional...next thing you know, she's gonna imagine up some superdelegates who allegedly said they support her...and just enough of them to give her a 1 point delegate lead. I really try not to hate Clinton. She just keeps lying and deceiving people. Sexist as it may sound, she's a woman...you ever played a man's game with a woman? They play dirty and do whatever they can to win, and will be proud of it. There's no chivalry, no honor here.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  18. Mike, Toronto

    She also claims she had a double digit win in Penn – she won by 9.3%.

    April 24, 2008 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  19. Mark in PA

    Why does CNN biasly keep saying Obamas name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot 100 times a day?....but never adds that he removed his name? The fact is: His name was on the Michigan ballot.....he chose to remove it! Start reporting the facts instead of misleading people.

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  20. brian bernard

    Hillary is very silly she will everthing in her power to try and say things to make people beleive what she says is true but only to the white voters not me

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  21. JRC

    I guarantee if MI and FL were in Obama's favor she wouldn't be talking this way. As much as I believe everyone should have a voice in this primary, the rules are the rules and they were agreed on when the Clintons thought they were going to win easily. What does it say about Hillary that she is so willing to go back on her word for her own selfish reasons? Also, if the people of MI and FL have a gripe, it's with their states, NOT Obama. Obama didn't try to change the dates and he didn't declare their votes invalid.

    Also, all you people that think Hillary would make such a great president because you were "happy" when her husband was in office, consider this.....our current President is much different than his father. Just because one family member runs the country a certain way doesn't mean the other will. The only thing that is the same with Hill and BIll is she is very adept at talking out of both sides of her mouth much like he is. They called him "Slick Willy" for a reason, she's "Slick Hilly".

    IMO, Hillary is power hungry, much like George W., and will stop at nothing to do what SHE wants to do, not what is in the best interest of the people of this country.

    I also have a problem with Dynasty politics. If Hillary made it to the Presidency and had two terms it would be TWENTY EIGHT YEARS of Bush/Clinton! I'm ready for a change!

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  22. shanta

    This is just ridiculous...The more Hillary speaks the more I can't stand her. If you will lie about the little things you will definately lie about the big ones. Wake up America you already fail for 8 years of Bush's lies and here comes Hillary with nothing but a campaign full of lies.

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  23. Cruz

    Cannot WAIT for you to be gone. Such a distraction.

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  24. tar

    Senator Clinton is showing her underhanded duplicity again. The Democratic nominees all agreed not to campaign in Michigan and Florida because they broke the Democratic Party Rules. Also, the Democratic Party said that the votes in Michigan and Florida would not count because they broke the rules.

    I gather Rules means nothing to Senator Clinton. She is a disgrace to women everywhere.

    If the National Democratic Party do not reign Senator Clinton in now, she will be the cause of the demise of the Democratic Party.

    Integrity, honesty, and decency are not in Senator Clinton character traits.

    Look out all Democratic candidates and party members, we are going to lose the presidency, house and senate, in order for Senator Clinton to try to be the President.

    tar – Atlanta, GA

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
  25. NP

    The popular vote is supposed to represent everyone in the US who voted (in EVERY state). Ideally , MI and FL SHOULD count!

    If Obama wants to claim he is winning the popular vote, he can't just ignore two states – he should agree to a revote. In November, MI and FL will definitely count then!!! So they should be included in the count now.

    DO A REVOTE OBAMA!!! or are you too scared...

    April 24, 2008 01:35 pm at 1:35 pm |
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