April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. Jack Walden

    Mis-speak, mis-remember and now mis-count...Yawn... wake me up when John McCain is President

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  2. Adrian In LA

    desperado, why don't you come to your senses?

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |

    Key words in this story is "THE CANDIDATES AGREED" Now because it would benifit Hillary, she wants to go back on her agreement.

    What makes you think she'll keep an agreement to the American people?

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  4. cc, Chicago

    Clinton's count (and CNN when they cover it) excludes votes in 2 states with officially sanctioned contests as well because those states don't make the popular vote official when they certify the winner. So, I guess we're supposed to count unsanctioned contests and exclude some sanctioned contests when getting a popular vote total???

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  5. Addi

    As cheap as she can get to move into whitehouse.
    Open up eyes ppl and don't let her keep on running negative campaign any more.
    Obama 08...

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  6. Sue

    Skewing the numbers to make herself look good. Last time I checked, you can't change the rules. Everyone agreed on the DNC rules, Michigan and Florida chose to ignore them, and they were disqualified. Clinton nonetheless put herself on the ballot in these states, Obama did not. Now she claims those votes are putting her over the top. If Obama was on the ballot, would that be the case? She is ridiculous. Unfortunately, her supporters will still ignore her dirty games and come out in the blogs whining again. This is too predictable.

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  7. John, Indianapolis, IN

    This is just another example of how the Clintons are so shameless and ruthless.... I will never vote for her if she is the nominee.

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  8. Antoinette

    Gotta love that Clinton Math

    But im sure she wouldnt be saying any of this if the tide were turned the other way

    She is too inconsistent for me

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  9. M.S. Indiana

    Woman stop lying...
    Those 2 states do not count, so get over it... Until there is a real election there...
    If you cant handle the heat in the kitchen....

    Must be time to donate, with all of her crying

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  10. wycliffe

    she is ready to rig the election

    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  11. Grant

    More spin and half truths from the Clintons...are we not going thru this with the current WH occupant? This is going all the way to the convention floor and probably the Supreme Court.

    By the way CNN, hope that the Clintons paid you up front for her campaign add plastered on your web page?!! Talk about objective journalism and integrity. Looks like you guys are helping her raise $$ to stay in the race??


    April 24, 2008 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm |
  12. Nell in NC

    The goal posts have been moved again. Enough is enough. These tactics of distorting the facts are destroying the integrity of the Clintons. Dems, let's unite and stop the games.

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  13. Obama is a GODSEND

    She has officially lost her mind......Desperate and pathetic.

    By the way, you did win by double digits in PA, aren't you supposed to drop out now?

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  14. Barb

    Well, that'll change again after Norh Carolina and Indiana no matter how much fuzzy math she wants to apply.

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  15. Cynthia

    Gosh I wish I lived in her world. Could just change the rules as I go that fits what I need. We all live in the real world – come on back Senator Clinton.

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  16. Stacy Clarks, TX

    This is the biggest rule change in the history of rule changes!!!

    she wants everything changed to suit her!!!

    does she think people are that stupid?!?!?!?!?!?

    this is just a little bit ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  17. Patricia

    Oh please! You use fear to get your votes and use your husband and daughter to get votes. Obama is getting more of the younger votes than you. How many times have there been complaints on the younger population not voting? Here we have Obama who is getting their votes. You only get the senior votes. Hillary just needs to admit that she can't win the Democratic nominee and drop out of this race.

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  18. Scott ATL

    You can't keep moving the goal line... It's really starting to seem that you all just don't want the winner (Obama) to be the winner???

    If the shoe was on the other foot, Obama would be out of the running, and if he cried about the Michigan or Florida votes, he'd be laughed at...

    C'mon with the double standard.

    Obama has done everything that you've asked of him, and done it well... If you don't want a black president, then just say that. Stop trying to make up false reasons to steal his nomination. We see through it. We've seen it for years...

    White women will eventually come back to the Democratic party, but once you show blacks that they are of no value to you, they will leave this party.

    Where would the Democratic party be without the black vote? You don't want to find out. There are more important things than just winning an election (Which Obama would do anyway...) But the future of the party will rest on whether you entertain the possibility of stealing this nomination.

    Try Obama supporters if you like....

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  19. 52 year old Baltimore ,CPA, Black Women

    Florida showed up to be heard even when the powers that be said they would not count, let us be honest, wither Obama was there or not
    old people, white women, and some of us working black women vote for Senator Clinton, Mr Obama if you thnik you can win the General by ignoring over 1 million voters you are , you and MR Dean are crazy

    So much talk about if the black vote feels the taken advantage of what about the other 88% fo the US population..and by the way not every lack person in America voted for Mr Obama

    52 year old Baltimore ,CPA, Black Women

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  20. Obama in 08, 12

    Is she for real?

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  21. Justin

    if anyone actually believes clinton is ahead in the popular vote, you really need to go back to kindergarten.

    April 24, 2008 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm |
  22. Mike J

    Florida maybe, but she just looks sad and desperate trying to claim 300,000+ votes in a state where the other person wasn't even on the ballot to get any votes.

    April 24, 2008 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  23. No Math Skills here

    This is a real cheap shot at Obama. He was not on the ballot in Michigan, and I don't even remember seeing an ad for the campaign in Florida where I live. It is clear Hilary is trying to keep her head above water and suck in every last breath of air (vote) she can. Florida and Michigan do no count. She needs to look at the numbers and recalculate. She just needs to bow out with what little grace she has left. Stick a fork in her, she is done.

    April 24, 2008 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  24. Matthew, Philadelphia, PA

    State parties violated rules, NOT the voters? Why does Barack Obama want to disenfranchise the voters who came out in record numbers to voice their opinions in Michigan and Florida?

    Let's not forget, Obama CHOSE to take his name off the ballot in Michigan to appease the party establishment in Iowa and New Hampshire, it was Obama surrogates who ran a covert campaign to get people to vote Uncommitteed in Michigan, and it was Obama – not Hillary – who violated the spirit of the Florida pledge by running television ads in the state through a national campaign ad buy on CNN.

    April 24, 2008 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
  25. Tom

    Hillary is just silly. If Obama had campagned in Michigan and Florida, he would have done much better (like in Pennsylvania, where he started with 20 points behind and finally he lost with 9,2 points).

    April 24, 2008 12:29 pm at 12:29 pm |
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