April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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  1. Sharon

    Hillary is such a fraud !

    She makes me sick

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  2. David, Silver Spring, MD

    I'm sorry, I must've missed the news item about the DNC changing the rules for choosing a nominee. Where did "popular vote" come from? Simply put, neither HRC nor Obama are "winning" the popular vote because the popular vote is not a contest. Winning delegates is the contest, and by that measure Obama is winning.

    But since we're talking popular vote, how do we count the popular vote for the caucuses? How do we count the popular vote for Michigan, where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot?

    And what's this about "Why can't Obama close the deal? Why can't he put Clinton away?" as if he should be denied the nomination because she's obstinate. It's sort of like a boxer winning a 15 round decision and then people saying the decision should be reversed because he didn't knock out the opponent. Maybe the reason Obama "can't put Hillary away" is that he wants to be able to get her supporters in the general election. It's called "not burning your bridges."

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  3. Debra Austin, Texas

    Oh yeah Hillary, you have the most votes and I'm the Queen of England. But I do happen to have a bridge in the Arizona desert for you girlfriend....

    So when are the Superdelegates going to act like leaders and close 'Sybil' and her philandering husband down? Enough with the soap operas and drama. We need to win so we can govern and change some of the mess, partly made by the shrew's husband. Let's move on down the road.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  4. John

    How deceiving. Her insatiable political drive will cause her to manipulate anything in her direction. No one is qualified to lead, only one is and he is not of an earthly source.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  5. Carolyn

    She's banking on the old adage, "There's a sucker born...in NC or Indiana...every minute." Hope they are smarter than they were in PA. Guess she can't play the "Ah shucks, I'm just a local girl argument" in these states.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  6. Dave W.

    Clintons argument does not hold water. Her and her supportters that blame Obama for Florida and Michigan should wake up. It was the state legislatures that caused this problem by moving their primaries. Clinton signed on to a deal to "not" count Michigans and Floridas delegates. When she saw that her coronation was in jeopardy she wants to change the rules.

    She has one set of rules for herself and another for Obama in these primaries. She can cry and whine about media bias, but he can't. She can missspeak and expect to be forgiven, but he can't. She can go after any superdelegates or elected delegates, but he can't. People that endorse her are smart and should be listened to, people who endorse Obama are traitors. It is okay to say it is time for a woman to be President, but not to say it is time for a black man to be President.

    Clinton thinks she can change or make up new rules as the game goes on. I think it is time for her to wake up and realize that for her, the game is over.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  7. Kay-Arizona

    At least Hillary understand that there are people to be represented in 50 state. Obama only thinks that 48 states should have a voice because the other 2 arn't saying what he wants to hear.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  8. Scott from Falls Church, VA

    If she wins the popular vote, she should be the nominee. Same for Obama.

    But there are still races coming up and if Obama ends up having more of the popular vote – I hope Hillary doesn't twist the numbers AGAIN and say somehow that she should be the nominee.

    And I'm saying all this with the thought they would actually consider counting the Michigan and Florida votes. Now every sane person knows that those votes will and should not be counted UNLESS someone comes up with a fair decision as it comes to these votes.

    Personally I think that Obama is going to have more votes, even with Clinton claiming Michigan and Florida, at the end of this long – drawn out process.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  9. Thomas Uhrick

    I agree with Hillary. I think that Michigan & Florida votes need to count.
    I am a Hillary supporter, but regardless of the outcome of who wins the nomination, how can you say that you had a 'VALID' national primary election, if Michigan & Floridas votes don't count. This issue really needs to be resolved before the nominee is named, otherwise I think there is going to be a big problem during the general election. If I lived in Florida or Michigan, and my primary vote didn't count, I just wouldn't bother voting at all in the general election.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  10. Tubby The Tuba from Texas

    If she cheats she is ahead. What does that say about Hillary Clinton. She would sell her mamma if she could get the nomination.

    April 24, 2008 12:35 pm at 12:35 pm |
  11. Susan MO

    Liar, Liar

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  12. Manu, Pittsburgh, Pa

    My god this woman can "lie with such ease"!!! That she can make this false statetement with such conviction should make us all very scared...

    1) Does she forget about her SIGNED PLEDGE to not count Michgan?;
    2) Does she expect US to forget her recorded statements that Michgan does not count?;
    3) Does she expect us to forget that ALL candidates AGREED BEFORE THE PRIMARIES BEGAN not to count Florida?;

    How pathetic!

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  13. MIRes

    The candidates agreed not to campaign in the states, but so what? We still voted. In MI, it was Obama's own decision to take his name off of the ballot, so if he doesn't like that he didn't get any votes, in my view, that's his problem. Not to mention that plenty of people (40%) voted "uncommitted" as a show of support to Obama. I think it is completely valid for Clinton to count these votes, even if they don't matter electorally, because these contests still show something about how Florida and Michigan felt about these candidates (even without their campaigning).

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  14. Vickie, Maryland

    I have to admit that at this point I know officially HATE HILLARY, and democrate or not I will not vote for her. I don't trust her.

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  15. Kent D

    The only thing that is honest about Clinton is that she will say anything to win. By counting the votes from the states that cheated, she is trying to cheat out this election.

    Another thing CNN . . . how about asking Clinton this question: In light of 16% percent of your supporters in Penn. admitting that race played an issue in their decision, what does that say about racial relations in America? If people are making their decission based on a perception of racial inferiority, shouldn't you reject and denounce those votes?

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  16. Tim

    Well she did say she had more people go to the polls and cast their vote for her .And Obama would be saying the same thing if it were he so whats the big deal .I live in Florida and I went to the polls and voted like everybody else and the Florida Sec.Of State certified the count like all the other states .You Obama supporters and news media better walk a fine line on this subject because it wasn't the voters who broke the rules it was the state law makers which are controlled by Republicans .You better read the history books because Florida has played a big part in every Presidential election .And it would be a bad situation if one 's greed (Obama supporters )gets in the way of the Florida & Michigan voters .

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  17. rayofhope

    Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote??? On WHAT PLANET???? This is RIDICULOUS!!!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  18. Faith

    Clinton keeps saying that she doesn't want to disenfranchise voters.
    Ok, well if that's the case... then what about the Obama and Edwards supporters that didn't show up because their local news media outlets said that the vote wouldn't count?
    Aren't they being disenfranchised too??? Or they don't matter in Clinton's mind because it doesn't benefit her.
    That is so sick!
    Keith Olbermann said it best last night... If you add the votes from MI and FL, and give the votes of "uncommited" in MI to Obama since his name wasn't on the ballot, he would STILL BE AHEAD!!
    So what is she talking about??!!

    CNN please post!

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  19. broadstreet buddy

    She is a liar! She knows she agreed to not counting those votes when she thought she was already president, before anybody had cast a vote. Now that she needs those votes she says the count?? You have to be pretty bold to say that an election with no opponent is a democratic election. I think thats how they do it in Cuba, Castro always gets the majority of the vote, because there is no competition. Clinton's victory in Michigan is just as legitimate as Cuba's elections these past 40 years! And by legitimate, of course I mean, her florida and michigan wins border on despotic, tyrannical, government procedures.

    April 24, 2008 12:36 pm at 12:36 pm |
  20. John

    Can I have some of the stuff that her campaign and Sen. Clinton are smoking. How can they keep saying they are ahead in popular vote when SHE agreed that neither Florida or MIchigan would count. Like Bill said earlier fairy tales do come true, if you play by their rules.

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  21. Luis from Florida

    I am trying to understand how is it that Mrs. Clinton needs to raise money to pay for her campaign. I don't know how it works; I know it must be expensive. But if with the millions she raised she could not handle or budget her way with her campaign, how can she control the economy our Country that is more complicated than a political campaign.

    Maybe is not her fault but her team, but still is she was able to control it, handle it, and still have enough to continue her campaign. But the reality is She some how did not or could not control that issue.

    Is she really prepared to run our Country and bring back our economy from recession?

    I am a republican, which might vote for a Democrat but who to choose.

    Both candidates raised money and spend a lot in campaigning but Mrs Clinton is the one now asking us the very same people who are struggling to survive and pay high prices with low wages to pay for her campaign.

    Well I am still undecide.

    Thanks for the opportunity

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  22. Frank, Missouri

    She claims she is leading in the popular vote ?

    And you think she would be straight with us as a president if she cannot even be honest about simple fact that are in front of all of us ?

    Imagine the outrage if Barack Obama would proclaim such nonsense !

    Imagine the outrage if Barack Obama would make up sniper stories to boost his commander-in-chief appeal

    Why is it 'ok' for Hillary Clinton to lie to us ? Is it because that is what we have come to expect ? Do we think we don't deserve better ?

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  23. Peter

    Its completly stupid to include Michigan, Obama wasnt even on the ballot. Even tough Clinton was the only one on the ballot over 40% went to uncomitted, that actually means she didnt to well in michigan. I dont thin Florida should be included either, neither candidate got to campaign and Obama has done better and better the more he has campaigned in a state. Obama leads the popular vote and Clinton should stop this pathetic attempt to pretend that she lead in som obscure way.

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  24. Bill in Illinois

    Here we go again! Hillary will do anything to win and how conveniently it is that she seems not to be able to remember that FLA and Mich votes were not supposed to be counted. You can bet your booties that now that she realizes that the only way she can win is to steal the election that she will attempt to do exactly that.

    Shennagins like this are exactly the reason that I have decided to vote for McCain. Ya may not like him or agree with him but you do seem to know exactly where you stand with him.

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
  25. cecil

    Sen. Clinton didn't get her double digit win, a win is 50% plus 1 correct.
    9.2% isn't 10.
    A win is a win.
    A lose is a lose. and 9.2 is 9.2 period.

    Sen. Clinton faces uphill battle in North Carolina, well welcome to Sen. Obama world this round.

    April 24, 2008 12:37 pm at 12:37 pm |
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