April 24th, 2008
12:16 PM ET
13 years ago

The popular vote debate

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/04/24/campaign.wrap/art.clinton.vote.gi.jpg caption="If Michigan and Florida are counted, Sen. Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote."] (CNN) - Sen. Hillary Clinton is arguing that she is ahead of rival Sen. Barack Obama when it comes to the popular vote.

"I'm very proud that as of today, I have received more votes by the people who have voted than anyone else," Clinton said Wednesday, one day after her decisive win in Pennsylvania.

Not so fast, says Obama's campaign. Clinton's count includes her wins in Michigan and Florida, but the Democratic presidential candidates agreed not to campaign in those states because they violated party rules by scheduling their contests too early.

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soundoff (627 Responses)
  1. pamela bernier

    Has this woman no shame? Lauding votes she received when her competitor wasn't even on the ballot- when ALL candidates agreed not to campaign, and, lest we forget, in contested primaries where she was a household name by virtue of her husband's presidency, and Barak was an unknown freshman senator from Illinois. I find this pathetic- who would buy this argument? Delusion....

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  2. Ex Clinton Supporter

    It's beyond me how this woman can get ANY votes. She's hallucinating!!! How can she count Michigan?? She was the only one on the ballott???

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  3. souza

    Great News!!!! Hillary is the most popular.
    If Obama is bitter about that he can cling to Rev.Wright and his guns for support...lol

    Go Hillary

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  4. American Dream

    I, too, don't understand how you can put a state in your column of "wins" when you were the only choice! That's just ridiculous. Maybe an argument can be made for Florida, but there's absolutely no excuse for Michigan. And as far as the continued question of "why he can't just close the gap?," I find this ludricous as well for this reason alone: he was not thought of as a serious candidate when this thing first started. By now, HRC was supposed to be the queen of the DNC and marching on towards November. Since the coronation didn't happen, now it's being flipped as if she's the underdog who keeps avoiding the knockout punch. She was the presumptive Democratic nominee not even a year ago, so that "why can't he just do it" question is laughable at best.

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  5. People

    How would "you" feel if you voted and it did not count? Or if you were told not to vote in the primary because the DNC was imposing some kind of wacky rules on your State? Please – you would be crying very LOUDLY that it was unconstitutional and place the race care in a big way.

    Michigan and Florida should get the chance to re-vote without question. If Obama runs from this (as he is doing) it just shows he is an unfair person and not a role model to become President of the United States. Hillary has been trying to get this matter settled for some time and of course eveyone for Obama, including Obama, is afriad of the outcome.

    Michigan and Florida should sue for the right to vote if they are not allowed in – period!!

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  6. Questionable

    I guess what people are missing is that in the general election, those two states votes will count. I think that Florida should stand as is, since both of the candidates were on the ballots and neither one campaigned there. Michigan should do a mail in ballot. Democrats need to look at the whole picture and see that their votes will matter in November.

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  7. lewc

    When HRC says that she is ahead in the popular vote, it SOUNDS good, but once again...she is MISSPEAKING.

    If all candidates agreed not to campaign in both FL and MI because of violation of party rules, then how on earth can she gain bragging rights to these two states? She and her serogates are fully aware of this. Each candidate signed an agreement: not to campaign there (FL and MI) and that these delegates would not be seated. Their signatures should matter, shouldn't they?

    But obviously , the "win @ all cost" strategy is in full effect... including more lies.

    Lets stop the spins please...

    Obama '08

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  8. A-Man

    Hillary took a sure win, to a close battle and likely loss. And for that she wants to represent the party in a federal election where it is close to start with and then wants to represent a country which needs a great president. Given her abilities in this race she could take the US at its best to being a loser, little a lone when they need to rise up again. She calls herself a fighter, she was on top with everything in her favor, to being on the bottom throwing dirt. Thats not a fighter, thats a loser.

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  9. Paull

    Yes, she endured sniper fire in Bosnia
    Yes, she is against NAFTA
    Yes, she is against CAFTA

    (Yes, she would leave her church if she heard 'those' statements
    Yes, her pastor defended Rev Wright
    Yes, she is still part of her church)

    Yes, she voted for the Iraq war because George Bush lied to her
    Yes, she would never use sexism or racism to win this campaign
    Yes, she accepts less special interest money than other candidates

    (Yes, she is completly vetted
    Yes, she doesn't know how that box of subpoenaed documents
    appeared in the White House living quarters)

    Yes, the media is out to get her
    Yes, there is a vast Right Wing conspiracy

    Yes, Yes, Yes.

    Yes, she leads in the popular vote.

    April 24, 2008 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm |
  10. Sam

    Only Hillary would state strongly to uphold the rules for FL and MI in January and then decry the individuals for disenfranchising voters a few months later. Now she continues to try and use those results to try to steal the nomination? No wonder the majority of Americans find her untrustworthy. Hillary, I am sticking with your original point that rules are made to be followed and in that regard since you were the one to state and agree to the consequences for violating those rules I have no choice than to discount and votes that were cast there. If you were an honest candidate with dignity you would as well instead of splitting the party with your venomous rhetoric. Obama has lead in delegates AND popular vote no matter how you spin it. Obama will prevail. Just wait until NC when even you will be unable to spin the landslide loss!

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |

    The will of the American people will be expressed. The DNC does not control the super delegates indepent judgement. Obama choose to remove his name from the ballot to kiss Iwoa butt and if you are from Michigan you should be for your state counting. Where is your civic pride sir? The will of the people will be heard.

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  12. David

    Not counting states and supers is how the Dems run that party. If one gets in the White House how will things be any better?????

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  13. Hillary Math Madness

    There really isn't one, unless you are just as moronic as Hillary. Barack is ahead, period.

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  14. ABC

    Hillary is my IDOL. She is a tough 'soldier' all the way. Woman should be proud of her. We can just get one of this tough woman per century.

    Hillary 08

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  15. Bukky

    She is lying and spinning like crazy. Everywhere he campaigns he competes very effectively... Shes needs to come to reality. Florida and Michigan dont count. Sorry...

    And people need to stop blamming Obama for them not counting. He said he would follow the decision of the DNC unlike Hillary who is clearly trying to take down the DNC.

    Rules are Rules... she didnt care aboput FL and MI voters when she though this was gonna be easy... if you think she actually care about anyone besides herself rights now... you're an idiot

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  16. sb

    She is absolutely NUTS.

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  17. Bobbi

    Hillary is right. The votes from Michigan and Flordia must be counted. If I lived in either of those states I would be screaming at the top of my lungs. And since, Obama's judgement is supposed to be so good, why didn't he have the foresight to put himself on the Michigan ballot? Go, Hillary, go!!

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  18. John B. From New Hampshire

    P. S. she counts fla. and mich when they benefit her and NOT before. Her John Handcock rests on the DNC Contract put forth to every candidate stating they would NOT campaign in either state underlining no votes would count. Sniper fire anyone?

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  19. Eric-Illinois

    Hello you Obama supporters! Even though Obama's name was not on the ballot you could have voted for "other" or written his name in. The fact remains that more people have voted for Hillary. The votes are certified....of course the delegates don't count in those states. Does not change the facts as much as you all wish they would. If Obama was such a great uniter this race would be over. Don't you get it yet...people keep voting for Hillary because they are unsure of Obama. And the longer this goes on the more his real character is revealed and the more unsure of him they become. He is afraid to debate. He comes across as an elitist and he is appearing more and more too inexperienced to play in the big time.I love to hear these Obama people say that the super delegates should vote the way their states voted...untill it comes to a superdelegate going against the votes of their states to endorse Obama...such a load of crap. There is one real fighter in this campaign. Is Obama going to unite with the likes of Rush, Newt and the Washington Republicans? We want someone who can kick some Republican butt...not kiss up to them. Hillary is the one proving she can do that. Obama CAN'T CLOSE THE DEAL. GET OVER IT!!!

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  20. Vince - Phoenix





    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  21. Ken

    Last I checked the nomination is won by gaining 2026 DELEGATES. NOT POPULAR NUMBERS.

    April 24, 2008 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm |
  22. lou

    DESPERATION!!!!!! Whatever it takes. She talks about counting Fla and Mich but then is ready to overturn the will of the other states that went with Obama. Hypocrite
    at the lowest level. You Clintons make me sick.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  23. rumpusgoopus

    And let's not forget that in every state they've actually campaigned, Obama has decreased Clinton's lead, if not having won the state. They didn't campaign in Florida (well, it's arguable Clinton did), the result is not legitimate.

    And that's even ignoring the fact that they don't count because their own Democratic officials decided to make them not count.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  24. Manuel TX

    Michigan Voter,

    You're not telling the truth. No one forced you to vote for Hillary.

    The Obama campaign actually requested that its supporters vote uncommitted.

    More people have voted for Hillary than Obama. That is a fact.


    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
  25. Mike in Minneapolis

    Obama wouldn't stand a chance in either state now that Hillary has cast blame on him for "blocking" the votes of FL and MI. She's actually likely made it harder for him in the general election because of her tactics now, too.

    It's difficult being an informed participant in this process– it's hard not to hold a grudge on Hillary for consistently trying to trick the public.

    April 24, 2008 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm |
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