May 6th, 2008
06:54 PM ET
13 years ago

Schneider: The electability argument falls flat

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(CNN) - The core of Hillary Clinton’s argument to superdelegates has been her electability – that she is the candidate most likely to beat presumptive Republican nominee John McCain in November. But according to exit polls, voters don’t share that view.

In Indiana, Democratic primary voters were equally split over who was most likely to beat McCain, with both drawing 48 percent. And in North Carolina, voters gave the edge to Barack Obama: 54 percent thought he was more likely to win in November, while 40 percent chose Clinton.

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  1. Captain Cannabis

    Mike in NYC:

    Despite the fact that I won't get the pleasure of you reading this, I am 22 years old and in no way, shape, or form a kid. I obviously have a more affluent knowledge of politics than you do if you feel this race isn't over, and your oversimplifying of Barack Obama's constituency makes me sick. If HILLARY had won North Carolina by as much as 70% this race would still be over. Sounds to me like someone's bitter and clinging to politics 🙂

    May 6, 2008 08:02 pm at 8:02 pm |
  2. marge

    OBAMA "Will" be the nominee.,....that was settled before tonight.
    So to all of you 'revenge voters' that will vote for McCain....If making ends meet is hard NOW.....what do you think 4 more years of Bush ecomonics is going to be like.
    It's like folks cutting off their 'noses' just to spite their own face.
    btw...arent the majority of Clinton supporters,on the lower end of the income scale???? My goodniess,with McCain they will surely hit Rock Bottom!

    May 6, 2008 08:03 pm at 8:03 pm |
  3. Patricia

    Todros .. I couldn't have said it better! I do fit into the hillary demo tho, older white woman..and I was impressed with Senator Obama from day one! I could never support a candidate that lies to the American people and then laughs about it on national television. Surely, we are not the nation of idiots that she is taking us to be?

    May 6, 2008 08:04 pm at 8:04 pm |
  4. Mark Johnson

    Bill, forget what the exit polls say about Clinton's electability. Just listen to the Republicans. They're drooling at the very thought of running against her. Think Rush is pushing her because she can beat McCain?

    May 6, 2008 08:04 pm at 8:04 pm |
  5. Zoe

    If she can't win it and everyone knows she can't, she and Bill, will try to steal it or buy it.
    I am watching Dean closely and he seems to be quite the waffler around whether we honor the rules both candidates signed off on (literally)

    May 6, 2008 08:04 pm at 8:04 pm |
  6. Greg

    Since that was her last argument (albeit a lame one), it is time for the Super's to step in and stop the bleeding.

    She won't quit without being dragged out of the ring.

    May 6, 2008 08:05 pm at 8:05 pm |
  7. belly

    FINALLY, I've been telling Dems on these blogs that Republicans were the ones on here trying to disrupt the Democratic Primary process. If this one win, I won't vote for that one. As a Dem, that's BS. All you have to do is listen to Rush or Hannity for ONE day. Anyone who say Rezco, Wright, Ayers . . . is just repeating Hannity. He says it EVERY day in that order. The Limbaugh letter, please.

    May 6, 2008 08:09 pm at 8:09 pm |
  8. Mark

    "In fact the unelectable candidate is John McCain. Its time for the Democrats to get behind Obama and get to work on this election. This ego trip by the Clinton's trying to exert undue influence on the Democratic Party has to end. Clinton wants to take us back to 1992, McSame wants to take us back to 1892, and Barack Obama wants to take us into the 21st century. Let's saddle up and go with him"

    Obama wants to take us into the 21st century? Well, he's already eight years late then. And how exactly are economic policies from the 1930s going to accomplish that anyway?

    May 6, 2008 08:10 pm at 8:10 pm |
  9. Aces full of Kings

    Great night for OBAMA! I am so proud to support him! Obama will be our next president of the United States! Go OBAMA! Yes we can!

    May 6, 2008 08:11 pm at 8:11 pm |
  10. Mark

    "why does anyone take mccain serious? put either hillary or barack next to him in a debate and sit back and laugh."

    Yeah, because the PA. debate showed what a brilliant wordsmith Obama really was; his debate performance was so bad, it made Stockdale's '88 performance look positively Socratic. I guess you guys can cry and attack the moderator every time he loses, but that will probably get really old after awhile.

    May 6, 2008 08:13 pm at 8:13 pm |
  11. Mark

    "Let's see. Half of Hillary voters would vote for McCain over Barack. But half of Hillary's voters are also Republican Ditto-heads following orders of the Borg Rush"

    If you guys really think Operation Chaos had that much of an impact, the word gullible doesn't even begin to describe you. Half of her votes? Hahahaha, give me a break. Maybe a half of one percent.

    May 6, 2008 08:16 pm at 8:16 pm |
  12. Mark

    "am a lifelong Democrat. The electability argument cannot be settled by simply sampling Democratic primary voters. Of course we all are going to vote for a Democrat regardless in the fall'

    And the people on this site have the nerve to call Republican voters mindless? Talk about chutzpah.

    May 6, 2008 08:18 pm at 8:18 pm |
  13. Mark

    "Despite the fact that I won't get the pleasure of you reading this, I am 22 years old and in no way, shape, or form a kid"

    Yet you call yourself Captain Cannabis. You just convinced me you are no kid. Good job.

    May 6, 2008 08:20 pm at 8:20 pm |
  14. Jennifer - American living in Canada

    Why is Sen Obama the front runner then? He is creating enough excitement by bringing younger voters out in droves plus the educated segment of the population seem to favour him. Let's get real a vote for Barack is against the status quo (Old Washington Politics). Hillary Clinton and John McCain represents just the same old politics. He is electable because the American want something new and inspiring.....the change Sen Obama would bring.

    May 6, 2008 08:22 pm at 8:22 pm |
  15. lynette

    That old divide the races and conquer is NOT working, Cheers to a UNITED AMERICA moving towards the future NOT back to the past! Obama 08

    May 6, 2008 08:22 pm at 8:22 pm |
  16. phillykat

    Well, how about the ejectability argument. Super delegates, do your thing!

    Eject Hillary
    Elect Barack

    May 6, 2008 08:26 pm at 8:26 pm |
  17. lance

    WHY DOES ALL THE PRESS KEEP BRINGING RACE INTO IT. WOULDNT IT BE NICE IF WE COULD ALL BE CALLED AMERICANS.
    NOT LATIN, BLACK, ASIAN WE NEEDED. THE PRESS CALLS EVERY OTHER COUNTRY BY NAME SINGULARLY.

    IRAN IRANIAN
    AFRICA AFRICAN
    RUSSIA RUSSIAN
    COLUMBIA COLUMBIAN

    AMERICA WHITE, BLACK, LATIN, MEXICAN, CHINA

    I GUESS SOME PARTS OF THE SAME OLD POLITICS STILL SAME THE SAME. I GUESS THEY WOULDNT KNOW HOW TO TALK INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THE SUBJECT WITH OUT IT.

    May 6, 2008 08:26 pm at 8:26 pm |
  18. democrat

    No Mark we are not all going to vote for a democrat this fall. I am a democrat and I feel strongly that Obama is not qualified to be president. If he is the nominee I will vote for Mcain.

    Everyone knew that the African AMericans in North Carolina were going to vote for Obama come hell or high water.
    It will not be a fair election unless Florida and Michigan are counted.
    It is all about race.

    May 6, 2008 08:29 pm at 8:29 pm |
  19. Jules

    It is a very big shame to see Democrats scrabbling with fellow democrats, where the blame lays is obvious.
    The United States of America i want to see in the future is one that is united. I am ashamed of Senator Hillary Clinton's campaign tactics, and i can not see things being different if she where to become our next president. It will simply be the same old politics that has got our beloved country to slide down in the eyes of the rest of the world. Especially if we are heard saying things like the total annihilation of a whole nation.

    May 6, 2008 08:30 pm at 8:30 pm |
  20. JF Las Vegas

    Electable? Oops, i think I see a kitchen sink full of dirty dishes and a nasty burnt smell of cookies in the oven. Yay, for all the mothers that have opted to stay home and be a real homemaker to their children and bake the best tasting cookies ever.

    Hillary can't teach because she criticized Laura Bush about being a teacher, and Clinton made the comment that Laura should get a real job. I laugh in the face of all teachers across America that voted for Clinton, Maybe they should get a "real" job. How can you support someone that does not support you? Teachers do have a "real" job and should be commended for having that position.

    I would much rather cling to my belief in God and cling to my gun to protect my property, family and what few valuables I have before I am forced to surrender them to a "socialistic government."

    The superdelegates have an obligation to follow the pursuits of the pledged delegates. It does not matter about "electability", it's a matter of common sense. If the superdelegates decides to favor Clinton over Obama when Obama is ahead in popular votes and delegates, it will cause a serious division in the Democratic Party. It would have been best for all involved if Clinton would have stepped down like a lady.

    May 6, 2008 08:33 pm at 8:33 pm |
  21. Ernest

    Good

    May 6, 2008 08:33 pm at 8:33 pm |
  22. Dan (TX)

    Hillary will now have to win by 70% or more in order to catch up to Obama in the pledged delegate count. Not gonna happen.

    At the end of this primary season, Hillary will be behind Obama no matter how much she and her supporters whine.

    This WILL come down to the SUPERDELEGATES.

    May 6, 2008 08:36 pm at 8:36 pm |
  23. Ron

    Clinton smoke. Voters please don't inhale The losing canidate says the leader cannot win someone needs a reaity check.

    Go Obama / Edwards 08

    May 6, 2008 08:37 pm at 8:37 pm |
  24. Linda

    I can't help it but think of the excellent novel with the title Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe.
    Clinton would like to have flexible rules and apply them at will on Obama excatly the same way Crusoe was treating the black guy named Friday in the novel!!!
    Poor Billary! They think really that they are entitled to take the White House once again. They are latent racists. Period

    May 6, 2008 08:40 pm at 8:40 pm |
  25. ts10

    I really just do not understand this! Ok if the polls say that at least half of Clinton supporters in both Indiana and North Carolina would not Vote for Obama and only about a third of his said the wouldnt vote for Clinton then how could you not see that clearly she is more electible?! Not to mention the fact that she has won most of the primaries in the states that are swing states and very important in the general election!! The fact is that in the general election the electoral college matters (whether we like it or not) and Clinton has a much greater chance of winning the states that really effect the electoral college votes and are usually pretty evenly split between democrats and republicans (Ohio, Penn., FL, Michigan). The fact is that many of the states Obama has won through out the primary are guarenteed red states, so congrats he won them, but come general election time it is not going to matter! I just do not understand why everyone just ignores this issue!! It is the total achilles heal of the Democrats: our canidates need to be ELECTIBLE!!!! Hello does anyone else remember John Kerry, Michael Dukakis, or Al Gore?!??! For the love of god people if we don't want 4 more years of this MESS Bush got us into lets pick a democrat that can win!!! Hillary Clinton can do that!!!!

    May 6, 2008 08:46 pm at 8:46 pm |
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