May 8th, 2008
08:17 AM ET
14 years ago

Michigan Dems send latest delegate plan to DNC

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2008/POLITICS/05/06/primaries.change/art.voting.flag.in.ap.jpg caption="Michigan Democrats have accepted a new compromise."](CNN) - Michigan’s Democrats have accepted a compromise proposal in their latest attempt to ensure their state will be represented at this summer’s Democratic National Convention, CNN has confirmed.

The state party has voted to sign on to a plan devised a week-and-a-half ago by the working group seeking ways to end the impasse, including Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, Sen. Carl Levin, Democratic National Committee Member Debbie Dingell and United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger.

The group urged the Democratic National Committee to seat the Michigan delegation under a formula that would give a 10-delegate edge to Hillary Clinton, and allow all 157 delegates and superdelegates to be seated this summer.

Clinton was the only major candidate to appear on the ballot in the state’s January contest, which she won with 55 percent of the vote. No delegates were awarded because of national party penalties on Michigan Democrats for moving up their primary date. Forty percent of January’s primary voters chose the “uncommitted” option on the ballot; a majority of those “uncommitted” delegates are backing Barack Obama.

Clinton’s campaign has said that the results of the January vote – which would give her an 18-delegate edge, 73-55 – should count. Obama’s campaign had said the delegates should be split evenly, 64-64. Another compromise plan submitted by DNC member Joel Ferguson – which would have given half a vote to each pledged delegate, and a full vote to each superdelegate – had been opposed by the Michigan working group.

Under the latest proposal adopted by the state party, which splits the difference between the Obama and Clinton proposals, the state’s 128 pledged delegates would be split 69-59, with the majority going to Hillary Clinton. Michigan Democrats has asked the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee – which meets at the end of the month – to consider the plan.

If both campaigns do not agree on the compromise, the issue will head to the DNC’s Credentials Committee for a resolution.


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  1. Gwen

    What's been unfair is that this is the most racist campaign to date. Blacks aren't voting for who is qualified, like most Americans are. For most whites this isn't a race issue, that's been proven in the voting. What is the issue is McCain means more Iraq and Barack has no governing or management experience, his judement is poor and he's slow to respond. What's he going to do when we're being attacked next time, will he be another deer in the headlights like Bush was on 9/11. He's been slow on Rev Wright and other issues. Great guy but just not ready for commander in chief, he's no John Kennedy, at least he had battle experience.

    May 8, 2008 10:28 am at 10:28 am |
  2. Rick

    Just another example of the Clinton's thinking they are above the rules (even if they helped write them). But here's a fair deal deal. Seat the MI and FL delegates in exchange for Hillary's withdrawal from the race.

    As an aside, George Will had a very good commentary on the whole Hillary and popular vote thing. When her Yankees (I'm sure she was a fan in 1960) lost the WS to Pitt 4-3, the Yankees outscored Pitt 55-27. Shouldn't the Yankees have been declared the winner?

    May 8, 2008 10:28 am at 10:28 am |
  3. Debby

    Obama pulled his name from the ballot, there was an uncommited vote and it was less than who voted for Hillary so its fair she should get the 10 extra. Florida should all go to her as all the names were there and Obama even ran a state to state add in Florida before the primary.

    May 8, 2008 10:29 am at 10:29 am |
  4. Gwen

    Not to count votes is un-American. Go ahead DNC and commit suidcide, between the rude and disrepectful Obama supporters and ignoring Mi & Fl, the dems will have defeated themselves

    May 8, 2008 10:29 am at 10:29 am |
  5. Jorry

    I think there should be a revote. The results won't change because Hillary will still lose by the number of delegates. This is just so they don't feel left out.

    I do find it funny though, some, not all, obama supporters make themselves look really stupid.

    "Re-vote on no one seated" well you candidate does not want a re-vote because he is playing politics.... so really want you are saying is no one should be seated and let's just roll the dice in the general election, which is fine but just state it for what it is...

    also i still don't get why florida needs to be revoted – no body campaigned (actually except obama had a national commercial) and he got slammed so why are these votes not legitimate? he was on the ballot. Obama should just take the lost there and move on... it doesn't mean he can't win there in the general election....

    May 8, 2008 10:29 am at 10:29 am |
  6. Richard

    None should count. Period.

    Hillary an Barack BOTH agreed to the rules. Now Hillary is losing, so let's make new rules? BS!

    Imagine if the tables were turned and Obama were losing, then insisted that we change the rules to his advantage. Would Hillary still be fighting to seat these delegates? I think not.

    Besides, Obama would have won Michigan, considering second place went to "undecided" with 40 percent of the vote!

    Do you get it? With no campaigning and only her name on the ballot, 40 percent of the people still chose NOT to vote for her.

    May 8, 2008 10:30 am at 10:30 am |
  7. Patriot

    This is NOT a deal!

    This is just another of the deceptive Clinton campaign ploy.

    Violation of rules SHOULD NOT be rewarded; especially considering that 48 states decided to stick by rules ALL states agreed on prior to the Primaries!

    Neither Michigan nor Florida (WHO VIOLATED THE RULES) should be allowed to impact the result of the nomination process in favor of ANY candidate!

    Florida and Michigan should be made to PAY A FINE to have their delegations seated; but those delegations should have no power to influence the nomination process!
    They missed their chance this time around.

    May 8, 2008 10:30 am at 10:30 am |
  8. Voter

    If they go with Obama's campaign proposition of 64-64 do you really think the voters in MI care? This is telling them that their votes still do not count. Obama should except the Clinton proposal. Isn't he far enough ahead that those few extra delegates won't matter. And then he will have a better chance of winning the votes in MI for the GE. IF he doesn't it makes him look like a divider, not a uniter.

    May 8, 2008 10:31 am at 10:31 am |
  9. JTA

    Clinton supporters are so bitter...you can tell by the comments that are made here and in public.

    Obama is the presumptive nominee! All Democrats need to unite for the sake of their party. I am a Republican and from what I see, the Democratic party is in disarray...and as long as this "fight" continues, it will be much more difficult to heal those wounds.

    Republicans for Obama!

    May 8, 2008 10:31 am at 10:31 am |
  10. Mary May King

    "No delegates were awarded because of national party penalties on Michigan Democrats for moving up their primary date."
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    What part of NO do you not understand? What's changed? Did they postdate their primary? Does the DNC have the fortitude and the character to abide by its rules? Simple question. We'll have the answer any time now.

    May 8, 2008 10:32 am at 10:32 am |
  11. paulie_nj

    Everyone here keeps saying that Hillary broke the rules. What rule did she break, please enlighten me? If I'm not mistaken, SHE did nothing wrong. The state's officials are theone's who broke the rules, not Hillary so let's get that straight and stop with that untruth. By the way IA, NH and SC broke the rules too but they were not penalized. And, the rules state that the delegates will not be seated but say nothing about the popular votes not counting.

    May 8, 2008 10:32 am at 10:32 am |
  12. Ann,

    I am totally fed up with the comments that "OBama wasn't even on the ballot"...........................Well, guess what – he asked for his name to be taken off... BAD MOVE on his part to pander to those who voted first.
    He didn't care about the people of Michigan then.
    Funny though how it was all over the CNN and other airwaves a couple of days before of the Obama camp telling Michigan voters everywhere to show their suppoirt for him by voting uncommitted since he had VOLUNTARILY removed his name.
    Give her her votes and give him the uncommitted. A 50/50 split is equal to ignoring the Michigan people altogether anyway. Just seems the Obama camp wants their cake and to eat it too. He could have left his name on the ballot but he CHOSE to REMOVE IT.

    May 8, 2008 10:32 am at 10:32 am |
  13. fafa

    I agree with anon. There is really something shadowy going out there.
    I have agot feeling about this one

    May 8, 2008 10:33 am at 10:33 am |
  14. Sheila WA

    Agree to the plan..Give them their seats at the convention and lets get this thing over with. It's very disturbing to see that the best recognized woman in America can't get wrap her brain around the fact that Sen Obama has out campaigned her, raised more money than her, has won more states, more delegates and more of the popular vote despite her scorched earth campaign. She cannot continue to make the case that Obama isn't electable. She is staying in this thing to recoup her money that she loaned her campaign (again) and all the while hoping that the other shoe will drop on Obama. This will be her legacy.. Sad really.

    May 8, 2008 10:33 am at 10:33 am |
  15. No Obama

    If it was a revote he would lose big time.

    May 8, 2008 10:34 am at 10:34 am |
  16. Southern view

    Clinton should get 55 % of the delegates, thank you. Nobody told Obama to remove himself from the ticket. He was on the ticket in Florida, and the people preferred Hillary. The people need to decide the primary process, not the party. The Party is on its way to bringing the Democrats down to defeat in November.

    May 8, 2008 10:34 am at 10:34 am |
  17. Monica

    This will be a tough call by the DNC. I don't understand how anyone can ethically say that these votes should be counted as is. In the end, IN and FL should in no way be allowed to affect the outcome of this primary. Ultimately, the votes will be counted in some form but not until one of the candidates reaches the "magic number" 2025 based on the rules previously set for this primary.

    May 8, 2008 10:34 am at 10:34 am |
  18. ed

    John in PA,
    I agree that this may be the only solution worth a crap that may sound good to both candidates but you can't count it in the popular vote because he wasn't on the ballot for that to acure so you have no way of having a real number of votes..

    May 8, 2008 10:35 am at 10:35 am |
  19. fafa

    It smells very fishy. I am holding my heart. With all respect to all those who may oppose this. If Barack agrees to this one, he done. The Clinton wll use it against him. What a pity. Any way It's POLITICS

    May 8, 2008 10:36 am at 10:36 am |
  20. M Philllips

    This is a singularly effective way to do two things at once: disenfranchise members of the Democratic party who did not vote in contravention of party rules and reward those that deliberately broke the rules. This must be a Clinton proposal– but why should Obama accept it ,given that the impact it has on Michigan delegates is unfair and rewards those that operate under their own set of rules.This duck does not float.

    May 8, 2008 10:36 am at 10:36 am |
  21. Y

    Both Florida a Michigan should be split in half. We cannot set a pattern of rewarding rule breakers. Obama followed the rules and now Hillary and the DNC are basically saying gotcha, our rules mean nothing. You couldn't campaign there but you should have know we don't stick to our rules. I guess Hillary knew how they operate. It has to be 50-50. But if they want it this way, Obama can afford to be cheated of a few delegates because he has a huge lead.

    May 8, 2008 10:37 am at 10:37 am |
  22. Jason

    I don't understand why everyone is so hell bent about the votes. The party officials knew what they were doing when they moved their voting dates up. They should be punished by the voters. Don't take it out on Howard Dean or Obama. Now the state should have just paid for a new election, which I believe neiter wanted to do. Stupid. Get over it.

    May 8, 2008 10:37 am at 10:37 am |
  23. Willis Cheaney

    Come guys, let's call for what it really is.......................

    Clinton is staying in the race talking about Obama not reaching a certain population, spending 11 plus million dollars of her own money, and making it harder for non grounded democrats to keep their eyes on the BIG picture for one reason and one reason only.

    She wants to corner Obama into offering her his VP position just to keep her quiet. Hiliary is extremely selfish, manipulative, dirty, and cunning. Essentially, she is old politics! She doesn't truly care about putting a democrat in office. She only cares about herself!

    Don't do it Obama!!!!

    May 8, 2008 10:38 am at 10:38 am |
  24. Marshall

    Ken from Michigan and LucieLee from Florida are right. We have people from the states that say they are being punished. Atleast they get it.

    Thank you Ken and LucieLee. You are the voice of reason that everyone else needs to hear.

    May 8, 2008 10:38 am at 10:38 am |
  25. Stephy, Groton CT

    What happened to core American values? What happened to fairness? Barack Obama did not campaign nor was his name on the ballot! The democrats in Michigan tought they were all God and did not think of the consequences of their actions, now they pay. It sucks but they know it could have been avoided. If the Democratic National Commitee gives up on this, how reliable, how respectable is this party?

    May 8, 2008 10:38 am at 10:38 am |
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