May 13th, 2008
06:59 PM ET
12 years ago
Schneider: More sobering news - the value gap
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(CNN) - The West Virginia exit polls show more sobering news for Democrats about the deepening division within the party.
We asked the voters whether each candidate shared their values.
Among Barack Obama supporters, 62 percent said Hillary Clinton does not share their values while just 37 percent said she does.
The number is even more staggering among Clinton supporters: nearly 70 percent of her voters say Obama does not share their values while just 30 percent say he does.
We're getting over 60 percent of the supporters of each candidate saying the other candidate does not share our values – which could spell trouble for the Democrats as they try to unite the party for the general election.
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I'm not sure I would extrapolate from West Virginia to the rest of the United States...
Jack Caferty was wrong to imply that Clinton supporters would vote for McCain "just because Clinton lost", .....
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What Jack doesn't realize is Clinton has more support from people deeply concerned over the economy than Obama does. Why may you ask? Because many people have lost or are close to loosing their jobs and "rolling the dice" for Obama is like driving blind.
I don't care for the direction this country has gone, but with McCain, I atleast know what I'm in for. Obama is a big unknown and I simply cant afford to throw away a vote on someone who still has not said what he will do to bring his "change", and thats why I will vote for McCain over Obama.
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So no Jack, it IS NOT silly that someone would vote this way. Your obviously in a much better position to take economical risks than other people are.
West Virginia is the perfect storm for Clinton – why:
They are ignorant racists – meaning they believe everything you tell them as long as you are white.
Okay, the spin is on. Lets spin this so it is real ugly for the democratic party as well as for Sen Obama and Sen Clinton. Gezz, will you all ever give up? Lets look at something positive and stop putting all this division and spin into the race. Oh yeah, the media can't do that because they have to worry about ratings.
All the electoral college maps I've seen put WV in the Republican category no matter who wins the nomination.
WV is irrelevant to Democrats.
They are not identical. One is white, the other is black. It's the most obvious difference and a lot of people vote based on that alone.
This is just further proof that this protracted, painful nomination process has jeopardized the democratic party. How sad to see a once respected and admired politican destroy a political party for pure personal gain. Someone please show her the door before any further havoc ensues.
I never knew I woud eer say this, but this piece of information us ABSOLUTELY USELESS – if they keep it isolated from the rest of the other states. I am willing to BET – if the WV polls being posted as "ominous" for the Obama Organization were to be compared with the REST of the U.S. we would see it for what it is REALLY saying.
Stop this silly, useless, divisive, and misleading game. You are making yourself a part of the problem, not a part of the solution. You know that WV is doing everything OPPOSITE the rest of the U.S....well except for PA.
Where is the surprise? It is a Republican country!
They do not like either candidate, for Obama is black and Clinton is a liar, according to their social conservative value.
And now Bill, you are generalizing this result to national voters?? I used to think you were smart.
I admire Senator Clinton's determinationand whatever the media say in terms of her not winning the nomination, I strongly believe that she has a chance. If she fails, McCain will win! Americans should unite to support her as well as the media. this is the time to elect a strong and brilliant woman for President!!!
HELLO!!!!!!! THE FOLKS OF WEST VIRGINIA WOULD RATHER HAVE MCCAIN THEN BARACK BECAUSE MCCAIN IS WHITE....WILL SOMEONE IN THE MEDIA PLEASE SAY THE TRUTH...THESE PEOPLE IN WEST VIRGINIGA PENNSYLVANIA, KENTUCKY, OHIO, ETC. WHO SAY THEY DON'T WANT OBAMA...ARE SIMPLE VOTING BASED ON THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN. CAN WE ALL JUST ADMIT THAT! CAN WE ADMIT THAT A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY ARE RACISTS! PLEASE, LETS NOT PRETEND ANYMORE.
There is a diffrence between being "educated" vs. being "learned."
After reading 95% of the notes (blogs) on CNN, here are some conclusions:
1.Hillary's supporters may be learned, but they are not educated. That is, they show gross negligence in doing research to uncover the truth.
2. Majority of Hillary's supporters write using "uppercase" letters, suggesting that they are rude, bitter, and inconsiderate.
3. Like their candidate, most of Obama supporters are very humble and put this nation "first". Wealth and greed are seen as secondary or remote issues
4. All of the lies and disinformaiton about Barack is going up in smoke as past political propaganda. We are now witniessing history unfolding before our very eyes, as the nations' first Democratically elected black man gets voted into the highest position of authority in the country. I can honestly say that I am proud to be an American again. Thank you Barack, for being a true leader.
I hate to say it, but clearly people in West Virginia don't share the values and open-mindedness of mainstream America.
Moreover, this primary has little significance in the big picture - despite the fairy tale the Clinton team is pushing.
My prediction is that Hillary Clinton will likely win the popular vote, and thus win the nomination. Neither of the candidates will have reached the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination without the support of the super delegates. If more people voted for Hillary than Barack at the end of the process, the super delegates will not take the nomination away from her, for fear of further splitting the already damaged party. The Democrats and the super delegates remember the 2000 general election, where Al Gore got 150,000 more votes than George W. Bush, but Bush still won because of a flawed system. Also, a CNN poll showed that 80% of voters think the popular vote should determine the nomination. So I'm putting my money on Hillary winning the nomination.
This seems to get lost in shuffle, new polls just released show Clinton with a 27 point lead in KY....hurry CNN get out there, HOWEVER, new poll out of ORE show Obama up 22%, SD up 16% and 17% in Montana, plus up 12% nationally....comeback kid CNN? lol
Being a Republican, this is GREAT for us! Let the Dems slaughter each other and have the MSM help...Go Hillary, CNN keep backing her..lets take this battle all the way to November where John McCain will virtually run uncontested because the Clintons have the results tied up inthe US Supreme Court...only Dems could screw up a sure election victory talking about crap! I am sure the DNC is really pleased! The Clintons play for keeps, they are not going anywhere!!! This primary today is totally irrelevent, but you are doing a great job of having a sure fire Republican State in the General destroy your party..lol
It bears mentioning, as everyone's eyes light up at the idea of Hillary winning two-thirds of the votes in West Virginia, that even if she won by this margin in every remaining state and also garnered two-thirds of the remaining superdelegates (unlikely given how the SDs have been lining up behind Obama lately), the nomination would still go to Senator Obama.
That's why the Obama camp has begun to look ahead to the general elections, and that's why we need to stop talking in terms of what will happen "if" Obama is the nominee. If the Hilary backers won't support Obama, it is now time for the Obama campaign to start looking for ways to pick up other voters to replace those lost. End of story.
NO...sobering news for W.V. I guess anybody white is their preference. Gee I guess they really didn't mean to spilt with Virgina and side with the north after all. Perhaps watching Obama lead this country out of this mess will edge them closer to the 21st century.......nah, who am I kidding?
Fools for Hillary...70% of West Virginia Hillarybillys share her values..67% of West Virginia Hillarybillys thinks she is honest....WHAT country are these regressive people from??
West Virginia voters, really soak up these comments.
Hold them close to your hearts and remember them this November.
1. Hillary/Muurtha
2. McCain/Hillary
3. Write in Hillary
Senator Clinton warned America, "If Senator Obama receives the nomination, he will surely become defeated in the General Election in November." Apparently, Senator Clinton's prediction is true. Therefore, I sincerely urge the remaining Super delegates to support Senator Clinton.
Senator Clinton for President in 2008!!!!
Obama/Gore??? Gimme a break, why would Gore want to be Vice- President Again??
People keep saying Clinton should be vice-president. It won't happen, BECAUSE Michelle Obama said NO.
Why are you spinning this??? Barack Obama will be the next president.
Funny how Hillary is to blame for the way people cast their votes? Who's racist in these comments...did anyone wonder why Obama didn't even really campaign in WV???? Answer...he doesn't care because he knew he would not capture the vote there. What does that say for him in GE? The racist starts with him and his party of believers!