May 14th, 2008
05:35 PM ET
13 years ago

Clinton campaign: We're ahead in the popular vote

[cnn-photo-caption image= http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/05/14/art.hill.ap.jpg caption="Is Clinton ahead in the popular vote?"](CNN) - Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe said Wednesday Hillary Clinton has overcome Barack Obama in the total popular vote.

“Senator Clinton took the lead in the popular vote last night because voters believe she is the candidate best able to beat John McCain and lead our country," McAuliffe said.

Is he right? That depends on which measure of the popular vote is used.

Four different scenarios of the total popular vote have been kicked around: (1) only counting primary contests without factoring in Florida and Michigan, whose contests were not sanctioned by the national party, (2) counting primary and caucus contests without Florida and Michigan, (3) counting primaries and contests and Florida but not Michigan, and (4) counting all primaries and caucuses including Florida and Michigan.

Clinton trails in all four counts, but by significantly different margins. In the first scenario she trails by by about 397,000, in the second she's behind 699,000, in the third she has a 405,000 vote deficit, and in the fourth scenario she trails by 77,000 votes.

The fourth scenario does not give Obama any votes out of Michigan, where he did not appear on the ballot.

The only scenario in which Clinton would appear to have the lead is a fifth scenario that only counts primary states – including both Florida and Michigan – and excludes any votes cast in the party’s caucuses. In that count, Clinton currently holds a lead of about 225,000 votes.

soundoff (259 Responses)
  1. Liar, Liar, plants on fire.

    She is delusional.

    There is a system in place. It's call "voting". The voters are speaking load and clear. So just because you say "many voters don't feel strongly in support of Obama", doesn't make it so. The math is reflective of the votes and the system in place.

    Why do we have to educate the Clinton supporters? The comments being said leave your intellence to be questioned.

    May 14, 2008 06:54 pm at 6:54 pm |
  2. Ed Rodriguez

    It is unfortunate that while so many other LIFE catastrophies are occuring, we are still focusing millions of dollars on electing our next leader. It is purely shamefull, and hope that the winner of this so called RACE will really do something about the real things in LIFE...

    May 14, 2008 06:54 pm at 6:54 pm |
  3. Matt

    Nick in Vegas–

    What else do we have? The math is, really, a measure of how people voted. She is behind any way that you count. So what you're really asking is "should he win just because he won?"

    I get being sad about your candidate losing. I even understand not believing that other people don't agree with you; God knows I can't imagine voting the way our country did the last two elections. However, unless I can prove faulty counting, I don't get to use a new metric to decide elections; they have a name for governments that SELECT candidates. They ain't democracies, man.

    May 14, 2008 06:54 pm at 6:54 pm |
  4. Deano in NYC

    Nick, can you honestly trust someone who will go to our(Democratic Party) arch nemsis 'FOX NEWS' and say McCain or I will make a better president than Obama? Now, that is the lowest of the low? Not even Slick Willy did that in his run?

    May 14, 2008 06:54 pm at 6:54 pm |
  5. Tyler in Raleigh, NC

    Nick in Vegas: If the nominee is supposed to be Selected, why do we have Primaries at all??

    By Clinton's measure, the primaries are a meaningless beauty contest or a 3rd world farce. The one who gets most votes, delegates, states and plays by the rules DOES NOT WIN.

    The winner is the one that is supposed to be most "electable" even though they are BEHIND in every metric. If you were the best candidate for the party, why can you not win the primary for that party by the rules that were set out by the party?

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  6. Dayahka

    You're talking reality; Clinton is into fantasy: there, she's way ahead of everyone, sort of a female version of Walter Mitty, great military and political hero, champion of the poor.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  7. rw

    Go Hillary!
    John Edwards -loser
    Al Gore- loser
    John Kerry-loser

    Maybe Obama will get John Edwards to go the black community since he NEVER does.

    You Obama people are getting duped like Bush did the GOP.
    You folks are the down of the party.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  8. Tom

    NIck,

    In this case, yes it is all about the delegates. The supers can decide how they want and so far, theyahve decided Barack. Sorry. In the next round it is about electoral votes, which again does not take into account national popular vote. So keep up with the arguments, you might get one that is rational.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  9. B, Illinois

    If an a delusional politician faux cries in the woods, does anybody care?

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  10. Anonymous

    Florida and Michigan clearly mater, but not states that hold caucuses. By the way, don't feed on CNN's story that the party is divided. Just remember that the Republicans had to settle with John McCain. We're still in a battle over which cannidate we like MORE.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  11. Zee

    Clinton has lost. Everyone in the old media is too delusion or too in bed with Washington to report this obvious fact. This country is in shambles.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  12. Rebel

    Well, at this moment John Edwards is speaking at an Obama event in Michigan and he is about to endorse Obama. That should tally about 19 pledged delegates to the Obama camp. I would love and EDWARDS-OBAMA ticket! Edwards was going to be my choice if he was still in the race because I didn’t think Obama would come this far.

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  13. Tanis

    Correct!!

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  14. Ralph

    I have been a Dem for over 50 years, and will vote Mccain in Nov if Hillary is pushed out by all those old Geasers in washington

    May 14, 2008 06:55 pm at 6:55 pm |
  15. Jones

    Hillary announces she has won the general election!

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  16. Ray from Gainesville VA

    Obama supporters lets stop responding to these blogs negatively towards Sen Clinton and her campaign. Sen Obama is going to get the nomination so lets move on from here.

    Obama'08

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  17. Bryan

    She is playing the number game again. She should go Vegas. It's just too much now she needs to go.

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  18. Jerry

    "figures never lie, but liars often figure"
    Mrs. Clinton, do the honorable thing and quit the campaign and try to do good work in the Senate.

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  19. David

    LIES, LIES, LIES. The nominee is elected not selected.

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  20. Orwellian

    Yes, Nick. Clearly she would perform better against McCain.
    She is only losing the primary, the popular vote, and has performed poorer in polls matching her up against McCain than Obama.
    But seriously, what alternate universe do Clinton supports live in?

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  21. San Fran Loves Obama!

    The Hillary campaign will stop at nothing taking all desperate measures – it's over. MOVE ON we have a nominee! And, please do not put Hillary on the ticket –

    White women for Obama!

    OBAMA/EDWARDS – 2008!!!!

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  22. Marie in Ohio

    I can't seem to get a pro-Hillary comment posted – why is that?

    This race is far from over. Hillary is the only democratic candidate that can beat John McCain. She has won a huge number of popular votes and the large states like CA,NY,TX,OH, etc. Whatever the scenario, she is correct that all the voices of voters should be heard, and this should not be decided in a back room by the superdelegates. If they do that, I AM voting for McCain! And who cares about John Edwards' endorsement – another loser!

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  23. TSD, Houston, TX

    To Nick in Las Vegas,

    Millions of voters voted for Barack Obama, that's why he is ahead. He has been selected by millions of voters in this country, not the party. Those delegates are his because of me, my family, my friends and millions of others in states all over the country.

    HRC is delusional. But, whatever helps her sleep at night, I'm not one to stop her.

    May 14, 2008 06:56 pm at 6:56 pm |
  24. Accountant Guy

    This is getting really sad now. At first it was just annoying, but now it is getting to be ridiculous!

    May 14, 2008 06:57 pm at 6:57 pm |
  25. Sean

    This kind of thing just makes her look like a sore loser. It's like losing a basketball game, but then saying that if the three point line had been a little closer to the basket, then you'd have had a higher score. And the bad part is, she's now behaving as if the three point line IS closer, so she DOES have a higher score and that everyone should agree with her, even though we all know where the three point line really is.

    I want to respect you Senator Clinton, but these kinds of things make it hard to do...

    May 14, 2008 06:57 pm at 6:57 pm |
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