May 27th, 2008
10:25 AM ET
14 years ago

Obama supporters planning DNC counter-protest

[cnn-photo-caption image= caption="Both Clinton and Obama supporters are planning to protest outside Saturday's RBC meeting in Washington."] WASHINGTON (CNN) - Supporters of Barack Obama’s presidential bid are planning to demonstrate outside the Saturday meeting in Washington where Democratic officials are slated to debate the seating of the Florida and Michigan delegations at the party’s summer convention.

The move comes days after backers of Hillary Clinton’s White House run announced plans to converge on the Washington, D.C. hotel where members of the Democratic National Committee’s Rules and Bylaws Committee are meeting.

“Hillary Clinton's supporters are going to be bussing in protestors for the Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, so it's critical that we show up for the counter-protest,” wrote on organizer in a post on the Daily Kos Web site Tuesday morning.

Last week, the pro-Clinton Committee to Count Every Vote said it was organizing a day-long May 31 rally outside the RBC meeting.

“Our purpose is not to divide the party or attack the DNC or Senator Obama. Michigan and Florida, however, in addition to Hillary's strong support nationwide, cannot and must not be dismissed in DNC efforts to unify the party.”

The group said it was organizing buses to carry protestors to the meeting site, and could offer some overnight housing for those who could not afford to pay for accommodations.

Earlier this month, Clinton told a group of bloggers who support her candidacy that she encouraged efforts to lobby the committee.

“I thank you for zeroing in on the May 31 meeting. There will be a lot of activity around that meeting,” she said on a conference call, adding that it was “important your voices are heard” by DNC members.

A limited number of seats inside Saturday’s meeting were scheduled to be made available by the DNC at 10 a.m. ET Tuesday – but as of 10 minutes after the hour, all those seats had been claimed. Limited same-day registration will be available as space permits, according to the party’s Web site.

Those who make it inside will have to abide by strict guidelines banning “banners, posters, signs, handouts, and noisemakers of any kind” – and they won’t have a chance to weigh in, since there is no allowance for public comment.

Clinton’s campaign has pushed for both the Florida and Michigan delegations to be seated in full in accordance with the results of their January primaries, which were not sanctioned by the DNC because they were scheduled early in defiance of party instructions. Clinton was the only major candidate to appear on the ballot in Michigan, and won both contests.

The DNC, state Democratic parties and both presidential campaigns have said that they are eager for a compromise that would allow both Florida and Michigan to send delegations to the party’s nominating convention in Denver – but all sides stress that the solution would have to be acceptable to both campaigns.

Obama senior adviser David Axelrod signaled in an interview last week that the Illinois senator might be willing to consider a compromise that would give a slight advantage to Clinton.

Filed under: Candidate Barack Obama • Florida • Hillary Clinton • Michigan
soundoff (530 Responses)
  1. sheena

    Kathy – FLa

    What you need made clear is your mind. Obama has consistently said he wants the FLA and Michigan delegates seated.
    Why do you only blame him for a mess the Republicans in the state initiated and which Clinton agreed to – signed agreement by the way. Later in the primaries she said FLA and Mich votes didn't matter. Why not state that. As well as the fact one of her campaign workers actually helped make the decision to prevent FLA votes from counting.
    If you are going to spout of – at least get your facts straight

    May 27, 2008 11:36 am at 11:36 am |
  2. Richard Bell - Winston-Salem, NC.

    Actually, it is Obama's fault for all of this. FL and MI moved up and broke the rules. HOwever, in the rules, FL and MI could have a revote. In the 2004 primary election, Delaware moved up, and their delegates were stripped. THey had a revote and their delegates were reinstated. Revotes were suggested for MI and FL but Obama knocked them both down. So it IS his fault. He's had a history of this. Look at how he got his first state senate seat by pushing everyone else off the ballot so soon before election day that the other candidates couldn't appeal. He run unopposed to win his first politial position. He's been disenfranchising opposition voters for a long time while enfranchising his own base.

    May 27, 2008 11:36 am at 11:36 am |
  3. Gary Chandler in Canada

    Methinks they protest too much!
    To save all that 'bus' money, why doesn't somebody do the math!?
    FLA and MI were not landslide States for Clinton. Obama's lead is so big from the other 48 States that even a 'low ball' allocation to Obama in FLA and MI still gives him the overall popular vote lead and an insurmountable pledged delegate lead, even with the new goal post.
    The only way the Clinton camp can 'claim' a PV victory is by sticking to the 55% she got in MI, with his 0%. (She was on the ballot against 'Uncommitted'! for cheese sake.) By giving Obama an improbable, measly 10% in MI he clinches the PV victory.
    That is with seating FLA 'as is'. 49.8 % Clinton 33% Obama, though it could be argued out of the other 17% mots would be for Obama. (You can bet if Edwards had supported Clinton, Wolfson would have already added ALL of Edward's votes.)
    The DNC must be very careful not to disenfranchise the 48 States that stood in line, in favor of the party crashers. Also, the educated, rule following Obama supporters in both States, as evidenced by many Posts on BLOGS, will have to see some penalty if they are to trust the democratic process.
    Because the Fla and MI results don't change the Obama nomination, (forgetting about a 55 to 0 scenario in MI!), the question should be how a United democratic should handle this.
    If the Obama and Clinton camps got together to put the best face it, they would come up with this. Obama could 'accept' the FLA results 'as is' and 'accept' a 55 35 in MI. That would appease the Clinton supporters and the 'educated' Obama supporters would see it's okay. THEN, in order to appease the law abiding 48 States, they cut that result in 1/2, restoring the Democratic process!

    May 27, 2008 11:36 am at 11:36 am |
  4. Woman of a Certain Age

    What have Bill & Hillary promised that they are willing to do anything to win? Initially, I thought it was merely blind ambition, now I am beginning to think it is more! From "fairty tale" to "conspiracy" and "sexism." Am I the only one reminded of the Clinton health care debacle, the meaning of "is," and other deflections of responsibility and accountability? How can someone who began a campaign with unparalleled name recognition, access to political power and money, elite status as wife of a popular president end up with a campaign that is morally and financially bankrupt? Do we want THE CLINTONS in the White House–again?!

    May 27, 2008 11:36 am at 11:36 am |
  5. David Goldman for OBAMA







    May 27, 2008 11:37 am at 11:37 am |
  6. Historian

    Thomas Jefferson (the founder of the Democratic Party) agreed with a Rule that said African – Americans count as only 60% of a person. We changed that offensive rule, even though "everybody" had agreed to it. We changed the unfair poll taxes, even though they were rules "everybody" agreed with. Now Obamabots want to count people in Florida and Michigan as a big fat 0 of a person. How offensive to the disenfranchised people, even if Hillary agreed to it. This is not a question of whether Hillary and Obama agreed to a Rule; the question is whether the Rule is a gross violation of civil rights of people in Florida and Michigan and should be changed. If the DNC does not change this rule that "everybody" agreed to, on what principled basis does it fight poll taxes and other "rules" that disenfranchise African – Americans, even if "everybody" agreed to those rules? PRINCIPLES, PRINCIPLES. CHANGE (you can believe in) the rules if the rules disenfranchise voters!

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  7. Annie Has Left The Building

    Hillary thinks she beat up on Barack, but she didn't. He was a gentleman throughout this entire campaign. Now that Hill is out of the race, he will be a lot tougher with McSame.

    All of that Annie Oakley, gun tottin, shot drinking role playing was a joke. Don't get me wrong, I still like the people, but I hate the image that Hillary portrayed.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  8. karen

    Hillary must have her own way!!! Tantrum after tantrum. SHE signed all the agreements in the beginning!!! What about the rules??? She is the one breaking the rules and should be withheld from ALL votes. What gave her the right to put her name on the ballot in Michigan anyway?!!! Hillary, you are going to destroy your political career!!!! There was a time I thought you could be VP but its become rediculous and maybe you shouldn't even get that.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  9. neutral

    I am amazed why and how Obamistas think that he has the RIGHT to be the president. They trashed, badmouthed, insulted Hillary way over the limit.
    This is why I will never vote for Obama. Because of all these nasty things. His campaign whining about racism, about that and this. His NEED to explain what he really meant after he said something. Too much of immaturity.
    And, yes, it is visible that Hillary was put through unfairness from beginning. Yes she had some blunders, but so did Obama. No one is perfect.
    People – some people are not ready for strong, smart, intelligent woman....but, latest article in Times was talking about Michele being very much involved for Obama, he reports to her after every speech......this is OK – he needs her approval I guess, but then it has to be OK for Bill Clinton being involved.

    I remember one of the first debates, Hillary was so smart, intelligent, and right in what she was saying, Obama was just following at that time in his, he attacks her, she attacks him, but he says he does not attack...she is being forced out......strange.....

    Fairness is lost in these elections, double standard reins – was introduced by Obama's campaign, also the racism was revived to the point of ugliness, scary, not right. He is the one who divided the party.

    I just wish there would be a justice, higher justice which would lead people to be reasonable, rational, mature, fair, and stop all the disgusting comments and hate.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  10. Debbie,NJ

    lol. You've been listening to the Hillary lies too long. First of all polls aren't votes. They don't count. Votes count. And Obama has been beating Hillary for months in popular, most states and most delegates. Now you want to include the votes of FL and MI who voted for Hillary, and ignore the fact that some people didn't vote and the fact that Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in MI. I guess when you're desperate you'll try to get votes any way you can. But that's fine because she still looses. COunt the votes from the caucus states (which the DNC has and they are published on and Obama has gotten more votes. So what are you laughing at, Hillary?

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  11. MartaK-Florida

    I don't blame the candidates for FL's delegates not being seated. I blame our state party leaders who never took the DNC's threat seriously and can be seen on YouTube laughing on the floor of the FL House at the threat of not having our delegates count.
    What I DO oppose is Hillary first agreeing to abide by the DNC rules and then changing her mind when she started losing. That shows a real lack of character.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  12. Mike, Vicksburg, MI

    We in MIchigan were not disenfranchised by either candidate. We were clearly told what would happen if we did not follow the DNC rules and, unlike many things in this country, someone actually stuck to their word. The major candidates sign offed on this and Obama actually took his name off of the ballot.

    Now Clinton wants the rules changed and she wants the vote held WITHOUT Obama's name on the ballot to count – of course, she does! The only way to have this be fair is to either split the delegates OR hold another vote. My wife and I did not vote since our candidate wasn't on the ballot even though we were told ours could be "a protest vote". As we see now, that was a sham also as those votes are in "never-never land", cast for no one.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  13. OH

    GB, the fact is the other way around. It is your candidate that is a sour looser and a hateful person who wants to win at any cost.

    Remember what she said last week regarding the Bobbie Kennedy 1968 run? Yes, she can't wait for the news that Obama gets knocked on the head so that she jumps for joy!

    People who are evil, hatefilled, power hungry are the ones that caused this country to be in such a bad shape.

    If you can't win; get someone to take the other candidate out! Jesus Christ, what has this country come to? Go figure and vote for the hateful evil person.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  14. Abdul

    It's great to see my fellow Americans protesting. Public protest is a wonderful thing, it shows people care about the world around them.

    I don't really care which democrat wins, I just love to be reminded that some people really do care about the political process.
    A vote for a third party isn't a wasted vote either, by the way, at the very least you send a message:
    "This is what I believe in and if the major parties won't represent me, they'll lose my vote."
    If enough of us do this, we will make a differance, I promice.

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  15. Deb

    GB we are all fighting for the same cause regardless of who you support. Once the primaries are over we need to unite behind the party to ensure a Republican does not claim the White House...especially someone with the same ideals as our current President. Disappointment is one thing...hating a candidate for beating your candidate is a little foolish. Let us try to change the country not continue on with the same.

    Obama '08

    May 27, 2008 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  16. char19145

    All of his speeched sound like sermons. If you ask him a question his responses are all the same....Ahhhh, Ummmm, Ahhhh. He can;t think on his feet, it all has to be written out for him. All he says in debates is "I agree with senator clinton". Can he NOT think for himself. I'm sorry, I feel how I feel, and will NOT vote for Obama over an experienced democrat like Hillary.

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  17. sixty sixer

    Go Hillary! Fight not only until the convention, but afterwards. Make sure you are ready to go before the inaugural, because after that, you won't be able to step into Obama's shoes. Once he's in office, any accident will result in his VP (which will NOT be you) taking over. I like the present Gov from LA. He'd be good & a breath of fresh air. Thus, Hillary, get your gun-toting, under-educated Whites ready. Their days are numbered. Also, my advice to Obama: wear lead underwear.

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  18. Belle

    Background: The two states in question asked the DNC to move up their primaries. The DNC refused. ALL candidates agreed NOT to campaign in the two states. NONE of the candidates (except Obama) said their votes don't count. NONE of the parties involved ever dreamed the votes in MI or FL would matter. They do.

    DNC rules would have allowed for a revote. The CLINTON campaign OFFERED to pay for it. Obama refused because he would no longer have an edge. The DNC, MI and Clinton Campaign signed off on a revote in MI. Obama refused to RETURN ANY PHONE CALLS about MI until it was too late to schedule the revote.

    Obama's position has been rules are rules. He would accept seating if the delegates did not sway the election in any way, or if ALL delegates were split 50/50. Disregarding the votes of 2.3 million people.

    Now of course, he is trying to blame Clinton. Even if the DNC splits FL and MI in a way that favors Obama, the RULES state that the two states can appeal the decision at the CONVENTION. That alone is WHY Obama is urging his bloggers to call for Clinton to drop out. If she drops out, he will win. If she doesn't...then it can be overturned at the convention.

    Had he been smart, he would have either asked her to be VP or NOT paint her as Old Politics. He did too good of a job there, and painted himself in a corner. He cannot win without Clinton supporters. Clinton cannot win without Obama supporters...(Although Clinton has WON every state needed to win the GE and leads McCain in all of the polls in the swing states needed to win).

    Obama supporters continue to drive a wedge of hatred toward Clinton are NOT HELPING makes one wonder if you really like him at all.

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  19. Anonymous

    note to MI and FL.

    you broke the rules. it was clearly stated what would happen if you did. so deal with it.

    your votes shouldn't count. HRC and every democrat supported this ruling over a year ago. HRC only wants this to change because she has no hope of winning the nomination unless she changes the rules.

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  20. go blue

    All of you "voting rights activists" should be protesting outside the offices of Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan and Gov. Charlie Crist of Florida.

    If it weren't for Granholm and Crist, THIS WHOLE THING WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED!

    These governors broke the rules, and they are the ones who put their states out of play!

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  21. FedUpDem

    SlimSista May 27th, 2008 10:57 am ET




    OBAMA '08


    The will of the people??? Are you obamidiots serious?
    Of the population eligible to vote obama has about 13% of them.
    Clinton about 12%
    McCain about 25% (25-31% if we look at recent voting trends).

    Until all eligible voters actually vote, please don't obamanate the numbers. Not much more than half the electorate actually votes.
    To call obamas current 13% of eligible voters the will of the people is exactly the type of garbage we hear from obama and his supporters.

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  22. Harrison

    I live in Florida. Our leaders screwed up to be "relevant". I think we should be punished. It is not a HRC or Obama issue. This is an issue of our state leaders being idiots.
    Don't count our votes and don't seat the delegates. This is a primary election where constitutional law is not the same as a GE.

    Let's get on to the General Election!

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  23. Albon

    This is so ridiculous! The rules were broken in FL and MI. This is not Obama's fault! Follow the rules and you will be counted in the future. Don't be cheaters like the republicans!

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  24. daSpence

    SAY WHAT?! Ms. Clinton voted for sanctioning, did a 180, not that she's truly desparate?! Say it's ain't so –> that she also yet maintains
    that caucus results should NOT be counted (identical arguement).

    May 27, 2008 11:39 am at 11:39 am |
  25. mt

    to sherrie50: nicely said.

    May 27, 2008 11:40 am at 11:40 am |
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