May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
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The Committee awarded to Senator Obama not only the delegates won by Uncommitted, but four of the delegates won by Senator Clinton. How is this fair? It was just an abritrary decision that was made during a "LUNCH? breaK". They went into a backroom and came out with a deal which awarded 4 fewer delgates to the woman who has won more votes than any other person running for president of the United States and she's headed for another big win in Puerto Rico tommorow. I know it's not the voters that count just the DNC committee!
Out of the 13 Clinton supporters on the RBC at least 5 came to their senses and voted to at least seat a delegtion in MI. The other 8 including Mr. Ickes chose to not give them anything if they didn't get their way. That my friends is not the democratic way of handling things.
Ironically Mr. Ickes help write the democratic rules which includes the RBC and Credentials committe that he and his colleagues disagree with. So if anyone is to blame it is himself.
OBAMA/HAGEL 08'
Keep the Hillary supporters who have no respect for the process or party unity at bay, someone, anyone.
The nerve of Harold Ickes is just quite frankly counter productive and frankly devisive.
We all feel betrayed and will not vote for Obama! We had the chance to do a revote and Obama made it impossible. He saw an opportunity to take away Hillary's chance to get the votes and delagates that she deserved to get. We will never vote for a cheater and manipulator like Obama. He has divided the party not united it and it will stay that way. So don't fool yourselves by thinking all of the devoted voters of Hillary are going to unite and vote for Obama if he is the nominee. Unless Hillary is the V.P. I couldn't do it with a clear conscience. Our votes are with mcCain!
I think the democratic party will suffer from "changing" the rules after the game has started. I feel for the people of Fl and MI and that their vote should count but they BROKE the rules!
Wow, what a racket. Seems like they are trying to give the nomination to Hillary Clinton. I know the Clintons have political clout but this is getting ridiculous. Hillary needs to quit this desperation fight. Senator Obama has had the lead the whole time but Hillary just won't quit. Does the DNC want to just give the nomination to Hillary Clinton. These sanctions were imposes for a reason which Hillary supported but now she wants to change the rules to suit her. And her friends in high places are helping her. This is just the thing the American people want to get away from. Getting where you want to be by the people you know. It makes me and many sick.
HRC supporters, you now see how deluded you've been... Not anyones fault but yours because you bought a LIE
Clinton group is in a spot where she can't get free from. She was not such a knot head she would bow out with charm. But however we see that just is not her style. She has to accept defeat some time so why not now?
Harold is thin skinned and looked disleveled. After a prolonged break was he drinking something other then the truth?
I watched much of meeting and to say that Clinton supporters were rude to the point of being boring is an under statement.
The committee did a wonderful job, I didn't feel that Michigan and Florida needed to be seated through out much of these past few months, rightfully changing my mind that we all need to come together and support the winner so we can defeat McCain and the republicans this fall. Good Job!
Steve Barstow Ca
I pray that Sen. Clinton will take her fight to the Credentials Committee. The RBC just gave her the shaft, then they have the nerve to call for party unity... Not a chance. Did you not see how angry Hillary voters were?
If Hillary does not become the Democratic nominee, thousands, if not millions of her supporters will be voting for John McCain and leave the Democratic party for years. All of the news media and Obama's talk will not sway white women to vote for Obama. He has dis-respected us once too many.
Obama is still ahead. & Clinton will not be able to over take his lead. Clinton's supporters left the meeting ANGRY yelling "Denver.Denver" I guess Hillary is not happy & Ickes was definately NOT HAPPY. Go Obama 08.
that is not right for them to steal votes from Hillary and give them to obama if they feel they have to take them from her why give them to him that's not fair at all his name wasn't even on the ballot he took it off that was his choice no one made him i agree with Mr Ickes it needs to go to Denver to the Credentials Committee and let them decide on this the party could not get anymore divided then it is now by them doing this unfair act
i will be a registered independent next week and planning on voting for senator mccain. who wants to belong to a party that does not count the votes of its people.....dean, pelosi, and reid should all start sending out resumes....hillary as a write in candidate for 2008 and the nominee come 2012
I am glad this process is over so we can get on with the election and no VP spot for Hillary Clinton!! Repeat no VP spot for Hillary Clinton!!
The party has already broken rules in the way benefiting Hillairy. She is still not happy. This shows what kind of person she is. So bad. Can you imagine put her in the White House?
Obama is a decent man. He is good for the country.
One can only hope that Democrats around the country will realize the need to eliminate the entire superdelegate system and adopt a "winner take all" approach to pledged delegates.
Ironic that in the "Democratic" party, the nominee this election will be chosen by party "elites" that don't have to answer to anybody.
"Count every vote" slogan rings very hollow when superdelegate will ultimately make the decision.
This is good move by the DNC.It also proves that Senator Obama is doing everything for the interest of the party and the democrats in general, and most importantly for the American people at large. This is a leader, sacrficing personal and spiritual gains, all in one day for the nation he loves and willing to do everything for.
Superdelegates, its time for you guys to get your acts together and and end the divisivness of the party caused by selfish intentions of some pastors and priests and politicians.
This is the time for Hillary step down support her party and to get
her voter to support Obama in the General election. I think should
and to be on the surpreme court justices. Let's stop this fighting
among the party because this what the republican want and we
will be playing in their hands. Do not divide the party Hillary,let us
unite now so that we can concentrate on defeating Mccain in
november. It's time to heal and move forward in this process to
take back the white house.
it's all about the will of the voters, says Hill & co, so we should get all the votes cast for us. but the voters who wanted to vote for Obama and could not do so, well, they don't actually count and since their "will" was different than we wanted, we either should not count them or we should actually get those votes too. What a load of %^%$#@ . this compromise gets her more delegates than she would have gotten if his name was on the ballot, but since it is not enough, she will destroy the party. Hillary is every bit as divisive as the republicans predicted she would be, years ago. she is also a hypcrite, a liar, and an egomaniac.
The Clintons are like Fidel Castro. " We have free and fair elections with only my name on the ballot."
The HillBillies cannot be allowed to use their new newer newest math to STEAL an election.
To All you whiners on the LOSING side. "Michigan will not count" -Hillary Clinton.
If you back a candidate that is so self serving that she will sell you out when it serves her and then act like it is an outrage when she realizes she is losing; THEN YOU ARE FAR TOO IGNORANT!!
I cannot believe Clinton is reserving her right to take it to the committee. The outcome today was actually in her favor. The only fairer thing would be to conduct a primary now in those states. It's seeming pathological at this point her need to win at any cost to country. She is not putting the country or the party ahread of her own personal sick ambition. We don't want someone like that leading the country. You cannot get punished for playing by the rules just because the outcome is different than what you want.
If Hillary had won, she would be fine with the Florida and Michigan not being seating - hence her agreement.
I was talking with someone who said their entire family did not vote in Florida - although they would have voted for Obama - because they were told it was just a beauty contest, and they figured why stand in line for that?
Why isn't Hillary concerned about the people who were disenfranchised because they believed the DNC's word? Because they played by the rules like Obama? She doesn't care about these people.
And I am highly insulted by her comparing this to the civil rights movement. Anybody with an ounce of intelligence can see this makes absolutely no sense - there is no comparsion. I feel really sad that Clinton is getting her supporters all worked up about imagined unfairness. Reminds me of Al Sharpton. Really sick, divisive and untrue.
Today I watched the meeting and was satisfied everyone had an opportunity to express their point of view. The final decision in my opinion was fair and hope democrats can move forward. I know some will have a different view but it would be unrealistic to think the delegates would be seated without penalties.
I hope Clinton supporters can be fair minded and not try to create chaos at a time when the party need to be united. I'm looking forward to Obama vs Mccain debates in the fall. GO OBAMA..........
It is about time that we should settle all hot temper attitude on a side; and let's join our hands together to work together to win the election in November.
Obama will be the greatest president and history will see that happen. Hillary Clinton has been a remarkable candidate, and we should and we do admire her tenacity during the compaign; with salute to her for her dedication, we extend our hand of cooperation and will to work together with Clinton supporters to make sure that we make sure that in November 'Obama' becomes the president of United States.
A.M. Saqib
Houston, Texas
Congratulations to the voters who will at least have half their say but the apportionment in Michigan is grossly unfair.
What a shame,what a mess,I will change my party .No more dnc for me..Hillary go all the way,don,t give up..There no way i will;; ever vote for Obama..take it all the way to Denver..I just pray that all the people that voted for you will vote MCcane in Nov....