May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
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Good.
This is yet another joke. I'm sure the voters think their vote should be worth half. It also didn't really matter who they voted for because it was just about split evenly. I hate the Rules Committee, especially Donna obviously biased Brazille. That's it-a lifelong Democrat no more. This new member of the Independent party is going to enjoy watching the Dems go down in flames in November with Obama. I am going to do my part by voting for McCain.
Sorry Hillary. If this was Zimbabwe you might have pulled it off.
sorry but hillary clintomaniac, she dosen't care about the party she care about her power to have clinton party in the white house again , were ever happened today it was right for al democrat party Obama GO GO GO
si se puede obama latinos queremos que nos representes en el mundo entero
If Obama wins the nomination, I sure hope all the newly registered and very young voters, who put him over the top, show up to vote in the fall. Many of them will need to vote by absentee ballot, and many might be wrapped up in studies and campus life and skip going to the poles. Without their commitment, I fear McCain has a scarily good chance of winning the general election. Many of these young voters voted for their candidate based on their effort to support a candidate who would demonstrate, their personal, and our country's, distancing from a racist history. These young, new voters will need to stay focused on their responsibility to vote if they hope for Democrats to win the general election. Personally, I believe Clinton is the best candidate to be president, but I understand many young voters' enthusiasm to demonstrate a break from racism.
If not Clinton, then Obama, because more than one or the other, we need Democrats over Republicans with more of the same sad direction we have gone for almost eight years now.
What do the Clintons think America is? Burger King - where they can just have it their way?!
Out out Clinton machine
Your supposed entitlement to the White House was a walking shadow.
A poorly managed campaign full of sound and fury
signifying NOTHING.
I am clad that a cat, a dog, a rat has life,
but your campaign no life at all.
You shall return no more.
Never, never, never, never, never.
we can finally see the light at the end of the tunnel. HRC, her supportors, and some in the media that did all they could to deny Obama his genuine, hard earned victories are still in denial, I suppose they are going through the grief process of DENIAL, ANGER, DEPRSSION and finally ACCEPTANCE. Once the grief is over, we can all unite as democrats to defeat the republicans in November. Go Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a Canadian I really think both Florida and Michigan are lucky to have any delegates seated. They broke the rules by going early for the primary votes. So know they think they should be able to break the rules? Count the votes? Count the legal ones from the states that followed the rules. C'mon turn down the heat. Senator Clinton needs to follow the rules. Maybe Senator Obama can bring a fresh breath to politics.
although i dont exactly agree i find this ruling to be fair enough for both parties i hope that supporters of mrs. clinton will realize that even with fully seated delegates mrs. clinton would not have caught up to obama. I think its time we end this.
MI & FL broke the rules and should be penalized. But thanks to Hillary they will be seated. Obviously she was hoping they would have given her all of MI. 2026 or 2118 – Hillary is not going to beat him Obama. She should take her victory today as a conciliatory pat on the head and focus on unifying the party she is destroying for her personal pursuit
I notice Ickes doesn't mention that he and the other Clinto supporters were instrumental in making the rule stripping the delegates in the first place! Isn't it unfair to make a rule and then be the ones who complain that it is unfair?
There she goes... got what she wanted... or at least most of what she wanted. Next up? The USA shall be hers . How can you vote for the same old politics?
Wow did you see the reaction of those Clinton people? As an Obama supporter I am very disturbed and upset at not only the Clinton Campaign, but many of their supporters. All I hear is sexism, unfair, and cheated, as reasons Clinton is losing this thing, when in actuality Obama has beaten her fair and square and she and her supporters are in so much shock they have to blame it on everything else. This primary has lost Clinton much respect in the Democratic Party, and if anyone is being treated unfairly its Obama since even if he wins (which he basically has) he loses since Hillary has undermined him as a candidate since the beginning. Clinton, not Obama has divided the party, and it is sad to see her people and herself complaining about something that is her fault. Maybe if she had cared a bit more about ALL the states In January the way she does in June she wouldn't be getting her butt handed to her in a race she and many though she would win...If they take this thing to Denver the Democrats will lose, and with the way they have conducted themselves this entire primary season I don't think the Clinton Campaign will care at all....This is not about Democrats or the people this has always been about Clinton...Wake up Super delegates and give it to Obama,...He deserves it not Hillary....The only thing she deserves is a swift kick in the you – know – what to get her out of this thing...And no I am not pushing her out...she has pushed herself out and lost because her campaign was ran badly....Obama is the nominee...Stop undermining him for your own selfish political gain....
Iam a independent voter. I could never vote for Clinton. She tells to many lies, and has to much baggage. She does not believe in rules unless they are her rules. There are several women that would make a great President or vice-president,but not Hillary. I will vote for Obama,and I feel alot of Independent voters share my view. Good luck Obama
Congrats Obama supporters. Chanting against DNC didn't work.
This is a great outcome. But regardless the outcome, I think most of us are just happy that this is over– that finally we can say this is settled. Now what will Hillary complain about?
AngiomyolipomaBarrack Obama will score a huge victory over mcCain on 4/11/08. He will be a great American President non as been since JFK.
Will Americans be crasy enough to choose Hilary as their democratic Nominee after what she has demonstrated over the past 6 months, viz the following to name a few:
1. Florida & Michigan: She signed up to penalize states for breaking Rules and repeated it after winning New Hampshire primary, i.e. when she was leading the delegate count. Didn't she know then about what she is now saying? Doesn't that worry Americans what type of President she will turn out to be? Think hard, think again, you voters in Puerto Rico, S Dakota & Montana. Send her a message what you think of her.
2. Hilary lied , for a fact, that she faced a hail of cross fire on her peace mission to Bosnia. Can Americans accept Liar to be their President? If you do, then you shouldn't complain ever if she turns out to be a Bill Clinton Plus, worse than George Bush. Then even God cannot help America. By the way, if we are to believe Bill Clinton that Hilary misspoke due to tiredness after a late night, how in the world would Americans expect her to answer that 3am call? Bill Clinton to the rescue? Didn't you get lies, lies and lies from this guy ? remember?
3. Hilary repeated the reminders on RFK , not once but said it 4 times. This is no slip but intended to convince suspected 'Fence sitters amongst the Uncommited Super-Delegates'. Imagine the idea she is throwing out to all those 'crazy guys' of the likes of Sirhan Sirhan, and there are plenty of them in the USA. Just recollect the numeruous shootings oevr the past 3 years. This act alone is unforgivable and all demos participating in the next 3 primaries should vote their displeasure of her act, and remind all future candidates that this type of dirty politics must face the wreath of the people.
4. Hilary has said that Obama can win the GE'08 at one of the last Clinton/Obama debate. She now says not likely. Do Americans still believe her? My gosh, is anyone uncertain about how big a victory the Demo Party will win come 4/11/08, no matter who the candidate is.?
Come on Democrats, surely Hilary's often repeated claim that hard working white Americans will not vote for Obama is tantamount/ attempt at making it a reality in the event she loses, and/or blackmail the Super-Delegates to choose her. Playing a Racist card is putting the race relations decades back and no politician should be allowed to use it to succeed in their political ambitions.
God Bless America,
Leo Antony
Now, time for super delegates to decide, pick one of them, being undecided is lack of responsiblity especially in this situation.
I am happy this is over. I do believe it was handled fairly. However, I know that Hillary is going to take this to the Credentials Committee. Hillary does not understand, "It is over". She is truly draining the American people. I know that she is a fighter. However, she is only fighting so hard for "HERSELF", not the American people.
Marilyn
La.
*GROAN*
ANOTHER committee? Zombie Hillary really needs to stop, enough already!
UNCLE! UNCLE!
Even Hillary supporters think they are supposed to have it all!
Good job to the DNC
Obama........08.........very, very, soon!
So, let me get this straight. Before the Michigan primary, Hillary says the vote there doesn't count and so the fact she left her name on the ballot is no big deal. When it looks as though – horrors! – she isn't going to WIN the nomination, it somehow becomes "un-American" to abide with the original rules and "all the delegates ["elected" in a process which she recognized at the time as invalid] must be counted." Through intimidation and hyperbole, she succeeds in moving the goalposts and picking up additional delegates. And yet she's STILL not satisfied!
I went into this process as an Edwards supporter, and could have lived with either Obama or Clinton. After Hillary's appalling behavior over the last few months, I have to say I could never see myself voting for a Clinton – any Clinton – again. It's all about their personal power – if they have to jettison ethics, fairness, principle to get there, so be it.
Hillary Clinton signed an agreement at the beginning of the campaign that the delegates from Florida and Michigan would not be counted. When she found this agreement inconvenient, she began to campaign vigorously to overturn the the agreement. This is not a question of bareknucke politics. Even pride fighting has agreed rules.
The conclusion I draw from today's events at the Democratic Rules Committee meeting is that an agreement with Hillary, even if put in writing, is worthless.
Do not think this lesson will be missed by foreign politicians and leaders.
For his own protection I hope Obama has learned this lesson.
Well this was really fair way to seat Flordia and Michigan. I hope the fighting will stop and everyone can come together in November abd defeat McCain (McSame).
Michiganders should purge their current democrat representatives. Granholm has failed repeatedly. Mark Brewer and his idiotic following cost us a chance to a real nomination. I can't believe in this party any more.