May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
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I'm tired of this motion to give extra, unfair delegates to Clinton based on a flawed primary. You all know how Clinton supporters are acting now that they think their candidate has lost; how will we Obama supporters react when the nomination is snatched from under us by thirty opinionated people?
Electability? Far from it; Clinton is going to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Luckily it was the 69-59 system, though. Fairest way.
If my guess is right, going into the general election Obama does not need African American vote. He gambled all the way and he will gamble again. This is politics.
So long democrats I will now become an independent that was such a joke today . Some day maybe some one will write abook about this election. And maybe the truth wil come out.
As a Canadian, I sat and watched the DNC rules committee in its entirety on CNN and laughed at the spectacle of Hillary Supporters, I visited HillaryClinton.com and visited their press release about the DNC decision, that was following ALL by PRO-Clinton messages. What propaganda.
I've lost respect for the Clintons for starting this uncalled for war against her own party, she's so desperate to win that she's willing to sabatoge her own party.
I not only have lost respect for the Clintons, but for Americans, who can't see that rules were established, all parties agreed to the rules, but when one person is losing they want the rules changed.
As a Canadian watching this entire election process and reading as much as possible about both candidates, I have come to the conclusion that HILLARY is the best choice for you country. She has what it is going to take to turn your economy around and in doing so save many other countries that rely so heavily on the US economy from the same recession worries. Obama is a very intelligent man but I feel he is too inexperienced to become President at this point with all the trouble your country is in. Obama I see at this point would make a great Vice President and in 4 or 8 years with some experience will make a Great President and make a great legacy for himself. Finally, all you undecided superdelegates don't go by just what you feel you should do but choose the best to turn your country back to a thriving economy, support HILLARY.
Guess what? The Democrats are going to lose in '08 because they can't get their acts together. Thanks for giving it away yet again guys – you're the best of the worst – or is it the worst of the best?
Ickes was only fighting for Clinton , he was not fair or willing to meet half way and if he and Sen. Clinton don't stop this nonsense they are going to ensure McCcain is the President. I am sick and tired of this give me a Democratic candidate to vote for so we can move on.
I have lost respect for Clinton and her team for not willing to meet in the middle and she needs to conceed so we don't lose the election in November. I will vote for the DEMOCRATE ,JUST PICK ONE FOR GOD SAKES!
This makes sense! Get the states seated and to reconcile the party...Then the resolution is not agreeable to fatal attraction and what let's reserve the right and maybe onto the denver convention? Whatever!
Since I'm from Michigan, I have a personal stake in this mess. First of all I don't agree that our delegates are being seated. The DNC made rules that are to be followed by all states, and we ignored those and did want we wanted. Our Governor (a Dem) as well as our Dem. Senators stood up and said we were more important and nothing would happen to us if we went ahead and moved up the primary. We were then penalized..as we should have been. Both Clinton and Obama agreed with this and acknowledged that our votes wouldn't be counted. Clinton agreed with all of this until she realized that she was going to lose, then all of a sudden we were important. What a phony. Any way we teach our children to follow the rules and they get in trouble when they don't. How do we explain this to them???
The world is watching. If the US want to resume their role as leaders they ought to lead with equity, fairness and respect. I thin the committee did the best it could.
Today's RBC meeting was merely a glimpse of how great the Democratic Party can be once again when they sit down at the table like adults and work out their differences for the GOOD OF THE PARTY/COUNTRY not the individual candidates.
While I am proud to throw my support behind Sen. Obama, I was equally proud today of the very difficult task faced by the members of the RBC who were clearly Sen. Clinton supporters but had to show their loyalty to the party over her greatest desires/ambitions simply because she is their preferred candidated. This is what being about the WE vs the I is all about.
Harold Ickes' behavior was the height of immaturity and while I empathize with the Clinton supporters in attendance at the meeting and their disappointment in the outcome, they definitely did not honor themselves or their candidate with some of the behavior exhibited and courageously called out by RBC member and Clinton supporter Alice Huffman.
What's wrong with Hillary's people? they shift the goal posts Obama agrees with them. DNC made decision yet they are not satisfied! who will stop this lunacy???
Lady, please stop fighting a loosing battle.
Not bad for breaking the rules..... Forward march to General election.
This is a real transvesti of justice. Hillary dont accept this joke.
They take the votes out of Michigan voters and give the delegates to Barack who did not desewrve them. What crooks!
This democratic party is becoming more and more crooked.
Hillary take your case to the democratic convention!! We will support you. Dont give up!!
Any supporter of Senator Clinton who is complaining about Senator Obama getting any Michigan delegates, does not truly believe in counting every vote. Senator Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. Most if not all of those uncommitted votes were likely votes for Obama.
The compromise worked out for both states was fair and just. We Democrats need to move on and focus on beating Senator McCain.
What will we do when Hiliary stops whining? Her defeat is everyone elses fault. Why would anyone elect a President who raised nearly 200,000$ in contributions and yet finds her campaign 20 million $ in debt. Yes, I am sure she can correct the mortgage crisis. She obviously is an expert with numbers. Move on, Hiliary, you have caused enough damage.
It's time to move past this and unite the party.
Josh, you obviously never looked up the rules. The reason Obama removed his name is because thats what ALL the Democratic candidates agreed to. Notice that NONE of them were on the ballot OTHER than Clinton. So again, SHE made the foul move. So we should reward her for that? I think not......
What a shock the Hillary supporter's comment is posted right away and mine is still awaiting moderation. Way to go clinton news network.
I am totally disgusted by the DNC and Hillary at this point. The DNC should have stuck to their own set rules by not seating ANY of the delegates. And for Hillary to inisist on a 100% seating of the delegates "as is" is precisely why she isnt fit to lead a country let alone a campaign, she is dishonest, disingenuous and will lead the country in the same manner. Todays actions send an incredibly sad message to upcoming generations...DONT'T ABIDE BY THE RULES, JUST DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THEM CHANGED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GAME OR BY ANY OTHER MEANS NECESSARY TO WIN AND YOUR DEMANDS WILL BE MET AT LEAST HALF WAY. ABIDE BY THE RULES AND YOU GET SCREWED. Hillary and her supporters KNOW that if the game wasnt CHANGED today, Obama would have this wrapped up this coming tuesday. The Democratic party is a mess!
What will we do when Hiliary stops whining? Her defeat is everyone elses fault. Why would anyone elect a President who raised nearly 200,000,000$ in contributions and yet finds her campaign 20,000,000 $ in debt. Yes, I am sure she can correct the mortgage crisis. She obviously is an expert with numbers. Move on, Hiliary, you have caused enough damage.
Please Josh can you just reason alittle bit! Obama was not on the ballot because he adhered to the rules set by DNC in michigan!. Remeber even the votes from the caucases were not counted!!
How could you say that Hillary deserves ALL of the Michigan delegates when she didn't win 100% of the vote? They did what the fairest thing to do was, and to be quite honest they shouldn't have even counted MI at all since Hillary was the only candidate on the ballot. It was an unfair primary.