May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
14 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."

Filed under: DNC • Michigan
soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. Florida voter

    This kind of descision was done to unite the party? I'm not happy at all!!! All Obama supporters should be worried about all the anger, shouting, injustice that there is. We will not be united with decisions like this. GO HILLARY!!!! WE ARE WITH YOU AAAAAALLL THE WAAAAAY!

    May 31, 2008 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm |
  2. Mitch

    If it hurts Clinton I'm happy.

    May 31, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm |
  3. jack

    Have you heard of hedging your bet? This is just what Hillary did. The plan was if she was losing then she would file a protest....looks like that is just what she did.

    May 31, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm |
  4. Shame on DNC! Quit to be a DNC! If Hillary quit to be a DNC, Will you?

    Shame on DNC's Meeting today. The DNC doesn't care Americans future. The DNC even didn't want to count their voter's voter.just because they voted a little bit early. What's that stupid rules about? If the baby comes out early from the mother's belly, then the mother just say: "Oh! You are not my baby!" The vote is a vote, doesn’t matter is early or late. You didn’t count our vote, we won’t vote for you in November. Let’s see who will pay the prize in November. The DNC will pay the prize. I will quite to be a DNC, Hillary should too, a lot of people will do the same thing. Who give the DNC's right cut the voter's vote in half? It's not fair for Hillary Cliton at all. Look the meeting today, like a flea market.

    May 31, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm |
  5. Garrison, Tukwila, WA

    As a Michigander, or wolverine, at heart (go blue!), I'm pretty interested in this decision by the DNC. First they stripped the Great Lake State of all its delegates in a hard-nosed disciplinary movement against the rebellious (and rightly so!) Michigan Democrats, which totally changed the ballot when Many candidates withdrew their names.

    Then, today, the DNC backpedals and totally invalidates themselves (or maybe that happened way back in winter, right?) by settling for the compromise that we've just seen.

    We all know politics are no longer black and white; there is plenty of grey in the middle these days... But how can the DNC reckon with the wishy-washy nature with which it went about its business involving Michigan and Florida? My parents still went out and voted according to what they felt, but I was so disgruntled with the whole scene that I am pretty sure I wouldn't have participated had I been a MI resident at the time. How many countless others like me are there all around Michigan, and how does this year's primary outcome accurately measure the true wishes of the people??

    I think the DNC needs to be a much more solid organization that has clear visions (that can change, there's nothing wrong with that!) and makes well thought out decisions. They look like a first year teacher who is continually making rash decisions and later making up for them due to guilt or simply due to the realization that they are part of a confusing system known as "the man" by many people, which is flawed in many ways but is just simply how things are done 'round these parts. I know how this goes, because I am one of those teachers this year....

    But shouldn't a national political party have all of this out of its system?

    May 31, 2008 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm |
  6. Elegua

    you know this hatelirious woman will never be pleased because what she wants is not democracy but dynasty, power, personal power,

    she like the rules will never be pleased unless "it is my way or no way.."

    I can not stand this woman, she is racist, divisive, uses the gender card, the jewish card, the bosnia card, the white blue hard working card, woman card, latino card, ....gee she has even said her husband was the first blakc president.." and she has of all people given the republicans a ticket like none not even limbaugh has done such good for the republicans as hateliraus has..........

    she of all opeople has acted more republican than mcbush,

    may the universe give her what she deserves........... only she herself has planted what she will get.........this woman has no soul..

    May 31, 2008 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm |
  7. World view


    I am no one's supporter and ther fact is even if she got all it would still be mathematically against her.

    May 31, 2008 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm |
  8. Jan

    Josh, while I agree with you about Clinton and the votes, I believe that Obama did have his name on the Michigan ballot and withdrew it after the DNC's penalty ruling regarding the state's primary being held early.

    May 31, 2008 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm |
  9. Jesse

    Do not vote for Obama this fall.

    clinton supporters, stay home in november. or vote for nader.

    May 31, 2008 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm |
  10. Canadian Girl

    If I were the DNC, I would not award any delegates to either candidate. How can the Clinton campaign not want to award any delegates to Obama????? His name was not on the ballot because he followed party rules which stated that candidate names should be removed from the ballot. Why did Clinton keeps hers on?????

    She's going to take it to the convention and still lose. She needs to give it up. She states she's the stronger candidate – yet she behind in every marker ... doesn't sound like she's the stronger candidate. She ran a disorganized campaign, which wrote off states and caucus'. The rules were laid out to both candodates before they started. This included Florida and Michigan not counting. She lost.

    Bye bye Clinton – finally. I have come to the point where I can no longer stand the sight of you. You are destroyinging your husband's legacy. You agreed to the punishment to Florida and Michogan until you discovered you behind. Why is the DNC scared for her? And why did they move the goalposts? The message they have no sent is, "Its okay to break the rules, because we'll bend them for you anyways later on."

    May 31, 2008 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm |
  11. Pat

    How outrageous!! Not only did Michigan not follow the rules, but Obama was true to the Dems agreement and did not even have his name on the ballot. Obviously, the rules committee must be beholden to someone, because their decision lacks ethical and moral centering, and it takes a lot of nerve to have ruled that ANY of the Michigan delegates should get ANY vote at all. It's back to "it's not fair and the bully wins". This makes me sick, because, theoretically, these people are grown-ups and leaders, and they're not ruling like leaders at all....just scared puppies.

    May 31, 2008 11:45 pm at 11:45 pm |
  12. MP-pennsylvania

    It is not fair when your candidate agreed that it is not valid but let her name stay. Your argument is not far from 3rd world countries we frequently put down on democracy. We ask sunnis to be fair to shiates and Kurds, but in our country we try to penalize the person who went according to the law.

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  13. David

    It was the only fair option. Obama showed both skill to control a crazed situation and also respect by volunteering the fair amount of deligates to Hillary.

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  14. Kevin

    Josh, you're living in a dream world if you think Obama should be penalized for not having his name on ballet and that Hillary got screwed. They are doing this so when Obama is the nominee, Michigan will have nothing to complain about.

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  15. progressive

    Hey Josh- Obama didn't conveniently leave his name off the ballot, that was the rule. No campaigning in MI or Fl. And candidates were asked to take their names off the ballot. Clinton's campaign manager helped make the rules, that he now conveniently wants to break. So don't go crying that rules aren't being followed, Clinton keeps changing the rules til they suit her, not the party. The best thing for MI and Fl voters is for some of their delegates to be seated, they weren't going to be seated at all when they moved their election up against the rules of the DNC, not against the rules made by Obama. Get your facts straight!

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  16. Roger

    Josh, time for you to shut up and go home!

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  17. athan

    What about the popular vote?
    Will all votes of the people be counted?
    Hillary should have the popular vote.
    She is the winner in my book.

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  18. Brian

    Josh you are lucky it wasn't 50\50, Obama had the votes for it. The Michigan primary was illegitimate in every sense.

    May 31, 2008 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm |
  19. Drew, Central FL

    Typical of Hillbots. Agree to the rules and then go back on your word when it doesn't suit you.

    You can't declare a winner when nobody campaigned.

    The DNC did exactly what it said it would do. All the candidates agreed with it. It was the only fair thing to do. Stop acting like petulant children.

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  20. BIG ED

    .. I supported it Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
    before i voted against .....................Hillary Clinton..

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  21. Kev

    This decision gives too many delegates to the states (esp. Michigan) that knowingly violated the rules. However, compromise is necessary for the sake of unity sometimes.

    BTW, last year Harold Ickes voted to strip the states of ALL their delegates. He now, as a Clinton supporter, wants the opposite. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  22. Michael


    Quit whining and grow up. Michigan and Flordia agreed up front not to have their delagates seated. Just be thankful that they bent the rules to seat have of the votes.

    If anything, this decision was favored more towards Hillary, not Obama.

    Oh by the way, I'm a Hillary supporter too.

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  23. chuck

    Imagine what people would saying it the party insiders would have stripped Obama of four elected delegates and the awarded half the delegates in a state Clinton decided to remove her name from the ballot? So what do you think? Would they be screaming about how corrupt the Clintons are?

    This ruling shows how sliming the Obama campaign is.

    They have stolen an entire election. The people in Michigan voted Obama didn't run and his people just gave him half of their delegates.

    South side Chicago pollitics big time!

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  24. i am not dump

    shut up all hilary loosers. you all have been brainwashed by hillary. hillary is a flip flopper. she voted for not campaign in florida and michigan. that is the reason i will not vote for if she gets the nomination.

    May 31, 2008 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm |
  25. Eddie

    I find it funny that the DNC and the Obama campaign had to meet behind closed doors, and then to come out and have a pre determined verdict is obsurd! What happened in this back door meeting? I also think that UNITY was mentioned numerous times thru out this process, However; I as a Hillary supporter feel so disenfranchised and belittled I will not vote dem this time around! Are you kidding me. Barack supporters have your candidate, you will LOSE!

    May 31, 2008 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
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