May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
13 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."


Filed under: DNC • Michigan
soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. Geri

    The people of Michigan & Florida need to get up in arms and take issue with the way the delegates were divided. Everyone needs a chance to vote and the DNC, Pelosi, & Reid are trying to give the nomination to Obama as quick as possible. This has been a very sad and biased primary season. Its just like 2000 only this time we have the crooked, racist Obama doing the dirty work along with Florida screwing it up again.

    May 31, 2008 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
  2. sfsf

    So I guess if every state wants to move their primaries to, hmmm?, December in the future, the DNC rules should not apply to them either?

    I find it so strange that so many people are into breaking the rules without any punishment.

    May 31, 2008 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
  3. Nick - Arlington, VA

    Josh – you are a moron....you want to tout count every vote...yes im sure that Michigan would have not voted for Obama...that the election was completely legitimate...well both aren't true...compromise...Obama wanted it 50/50 he conceded to this compromise while hillary supporters in the audience hissed and Ickes tried to pull this "hijacked" garbage....good job with the unity and being for a democratic president...Hillary supporters, some of them not all, are starting to put their candidate above the party...its recklessly dangerous...mccain has the opposite views of these two candidates while the dems have the same views...stop cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    May 31, 2008 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
  4. FrankSZ

    The person above my comment contradicts himself. It's like drawing a winning ticket while you are the only one with a ticket. Don't forget, John Edwards was also in the race at the time and his name wasn't on the ballot either. All running candidates were advised not to put their name on the ballot since it won't be counted, everyone did, with the exception of Clinton, because she thought, she is above the law and everything as usual.

    May 31, 2008 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm |
  5. progressive

    Is it me or is what everyone is saying being ignored. Clinton agreed to the rules, now she sways a group of voters (older white women, which i'm one of) who don't necessarily live in either MI or Fl to fight for every vote and if she doesn't get all her votes, she's taking her toys and going to convention, why? Because she should be the winner. Who is she to decide. The rest of the country has voted and has followed the rules. This whole process is making Liberals look like fools. Stop whining and start winning!

    Unity '08

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  6. dh

    The rules that apply are clear. She should get zero votes, none. Michigan and Florida get nothing. Is that what Obama agrees to? No. He's willing to go along with her to break the DNC's own rules, and seat the states. Now how you do that is extrajudicial, it's a negotiation. That's what you get for allowing Hillary and her followers to whine loud enough to get the DNC to change the rules in the 11th hour to suit herself. But it's all moot. He's the nominee. Will Florida and Michigan again insist on breaking the rules and still being heard? Now that there's a precedent already set-today.

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  7. Matt Conboy

    I live in Florida and I didn't vote in the primary because it didn't count. My Vote would have been for Obama and I think many more thinking voters who skipped the polls that day would have voted for Obama as well. Clinton is grasping at straws and needs to stop the nonsense, try again in 2016 maybe then we'll be ready for more Billary.

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  8. sjp

    uhm, josh, obama pulled his name from the ballot as did all the other democratic nominees, save 1, who now thinks it shouldn't matter. less blinders, more thought, the democratic way.

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  9. Pat

    Clinton supporters will be crying about this forever. Get over it. You're way too biased and selfish to realize this is the right decision for the Democratic Party.

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  10. Teacher

    The bias against Hillary Clinton during this entire campaign season has been a travesty of extreme proportions- The Dems will lose in November. Hands down lose. Thank you DNC.

    May 31, 2008 11:49 pm at 11:49 pm |
  11. Hipocrites

    Don't be a hipocrite Hillary supporters. You want to give Hillary all the votes in Michigan and are pissed at the decision which was FAIR. If you got all the votes and Obama got non, wouldn't that be disenfranchising voters?

    Hipocrisy is alive and lives within the rude ppl crying and yelling in the audience and on the committee (MR Ickles)

    Grow up ppl.

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  12. Melissa

    Josh,

    Obama didn't conveniently not put his name on the ballot - he very intently took it off to honor the decision previously set by the rules committee, which was agreed to by ALL candidates, including Clinton.

    Several of my friends did not vote in Michigan because they were told it would not count because they expected the candidates to abide by the rules they agreed to.

    Exit polls and other data also show that those who voted uncommitted in Michigan were largely for Obama and Edwards.

    If even her supporters on the committee (five of her publicly declared supporters voted for this decision) can get behind it for the sake of unity why can't you?

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  13. slc in ny

    Josh, there is no room for hate, my friend, you only hurt yourself when you hate. I am just glad that the Rules Committee followed the rules that they made. The committee keeps its integrity. I enjoyed listening to the wisdom of the members and wish that Ickes had more respect for himself and wish he had not exhibited the anger and profaneness that he did.
    God's will be done on earth.

    Obama to the White House

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  14. Jean

    There are other lessons ahead, very near, and Clinton needs to be very careful to put the Democratic Party's needs, and therefore America's needs, above her own.

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  15. Tina

    Dear Josh,
    Obama did not conveniently leave his name of the ballot. Every democratic candidate in the race at the time took their name off, because Michigans vote was not going to count. Even Clinton's total vote is questionable: 1st of all is someone wanted to vote for a democrat they had no other choice, 2nd she had name recognition on her side and was the candidate presumed to win.
    Regardless they still gave her more delgates and even if she had gotten all of them seated as she would like she still wouldn't be able to overtake Obama's 200+ delegate lead (which most Clinton supporters seam to forget).
    You people need to pay more attention to the news reports and not just hear what you want to hear from Hillary's twisted math.

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  16. rickymo

    They all knew the rules to begin with and no one whined then..why the whining now? Because they are "losing". This is so obvious and typical of the Billary Team. If teh GOP'ers did this the Hillary supporters would be all over them. Shame...

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  17. Pam from Michigan

    wow, I guess I officially change my status from democrate to republican today. my views apparently are more in line with the republicans now that the democrates only count me as a half a vote. wow, I still cannot believe that they have totally abandoned all of us voters in michigan. used to be the democrates were about the people, now I guess they are about the rules committee and no one else. wow I guess I never really figured they would do it. I guess it really shows that they are really out of touch with what we really want.
    This november when I vote I will make sure that I vote against every single democrate that I can. They really are obviously more about politics than people.

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  18. hk

    The DNC is a joke! One word to summarize the whole process: stealing!

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  19. Paula

    Clinton knew she wasn't going to get away with trying the rule changing stunt.The meeting was about seating delegates.Be glad that was done.

    May 31, 2008 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm |
  20. Steve

    Josh – you cannot POSSIBLY believe that such a solution in Michigan is "fair." "Conveniently" did not put his name on the ballot? No, EVERYONE removed their names, except Hillary, who :"conveniently" left hers on, perhaps seeing this day coming.

    This is one reason she lost. People are really tired of the whining, cheating and self-centered crap every day.

    "biased on favor of Obama...." He is ahead by 200 delegates AND the popular vote, no matter how you stepford supporters want to count it.

    May 31, 2008 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm |
  21. Joyland

    Mr. Hater, Why shoul Hillary get all the votes and delegates because her name was the only one on the ballot. Obama and other Presidential candidates removed their names from the ballot in Michigan because they were told that the votes would not count. Many voters did not vote because they were told that the votes would not count. Others votes were write-in votes or non commtted because the particular candidate they supported was not on the ballot. Voting in America is about everybody not just Hillary Clinton. It is a very narrow way of thinking that just because her name was the only one on the ballot she should get everything. That kind of thinking is unethical. There's been some good compromises, so that everybody has been considered; those that voted, those that were misled and did not vote, and the candidates who were also misled and removed their names from the ballot. The decision has been fair and considerate of all involved.

    May 31, 2008 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm |
  22. Edia

    This is not fair to the people of the United States, Hillary deserves to be the candidate of the democratic party. Obama will lose to McCain, like Kerry did.

    eb

    May 31, 2008 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm |
  23. anton

    Little-by-little, our society is breaking apart, by awarding cheating. In athletics, jumping the gun is traditionally taken as cheating, a reason for disqualification. By breaking party rules decided in 2007, Michigan "jumped the gun" on January 15, 2008; cheating! The decision today, to overlook cheating, and seat Clinton's ill-begotten delegates from Michigan is like the OIC decision in 1994 NOT to punish Tonya Harding for hiring a thug to smash her Olympic opponent's knees at a practice session. Harding cheated, yet the Olympic committee only slapped her wrist. Michigan CHEATED DNC rules on January 15, 2008, and all of the major candidates removed their names in honesty from the competition, except Tonya Harding, I mean Hillary Clinton. This is pathetic, simply pathetic.

    May 31, 2008 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm |
  24. Joel

    He didn't put his name on that ballot because they broke the rules, without these rules states will joggle for position each year and even more chaos will ensue. As a Canadian enthralled with politics and the opportunity of change in the form of a Democrat in office, the DNC made the right decision to extinguish the Hilary campaign flame. The world needs the Dems to become focused on unity, regardless the outcome they still share a common goal of purging the nation of Republican corruption and greed. I urge all Clinton supporters to accept the fact and rally around your parties values and goals and allow the primary process to declare Obama the official nominee. The world needs it.

    May 31, 2008 11:51 pm at 11:51 pm |
  25. raul, from louisville ky

    It is time for the democratic party to realize that Clinton will never be satisfied with anything unless she wins the nomination. That irrational thinking by her and her supporters has no place in our party. The initial rule was that FL and MI would not count and she was not happy. Now these states count giving her an edge over Obama and she is still not satisfied. Superdelegates should back Obama and end her selfish quest for destruction of the party. If she wants to run as independent, so be it. If her suporters want to vote for McCain, so be it. All I know is that if Obama loses in November because of her I and many other democrats will do as much as we can to stop her from being the nominee in 2012 or senator in her next election.

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
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