May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
12 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."


Filed under: DNC • Michigan
soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. Emily

    Josh

    We hate you? That's a really adult comment.

    You kids have got to understand that they broke the rules. The only reason Clinton wants this is because she's behind. If she were ahead then she wouldn't care at all.

    Please stop and wake up and see this. She is only dividing the party. That is all she's doing. She thinks she deserves this but she doesn't.

    She is nothing but a crook.

    Look how she acts in those pictures from Puerto Rico. She thinks its all about her.

    If she gets it, it will all be about her. She won't care for the rest of us.

    Get a Clue!!!

    Obama 08 and 12

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
  2. David

    Josh, your comment is completely idiotic. How can you claim that Obama should be penalized by receiving no votes from Michigan for trying to abide by the DNC's rules? Any normal, decent human being would understand that your judgment makes no sense here.

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
  3. Greg

    How convenient that obama resigns from his church hoping to have it overlooked by the DNC unfair ruling....

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
  4. David King

    Aww go suck some more lemons! And you probably drinking that Harold Ickes kool-aid! Sore LOSERS!

    OBAMA '08

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
  5. Brendose, Oceanside CA

    FINALLY! Can we give it a rest? Really now......it's over......Clinton, you put up a good fight......but it's over.

    It is now time to unite and fight the real evil........McCain and the Republicans.

    Don't be bitter, don't cling to your guns and religion........be an intelligent human being and realize the choices that are left.

    It is about time that politicians actually followed the rules........partially.

    May 31, 2008 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm |
  6. Greg

    it wontr be overlooked come november.... thanks obama for giving us 4 more years of bush

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  7. frank

    She should also get the votes from the moon too.
    She needs to drop out and save the party .
    With her scorched earth policy the only way she will quit is when her hands are pried off of the white house door as Barack closes it.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  8. martin

    Josh, May 31st, 2008 11:29 pm ET

    Uhmm no Obama, Edwards, Biden, Richardson and Kucinich took their names off the Ballot. Hillary and Gravel left there names on the ballot and still over 33 % ofthe voters said they were uncommitted to vote for them. So, get the facts correct before you give your vote to the Republican party and the Iraq war and the reversal of the Roe vs Wade.!!!!!!!!.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  9. Ash

    Obama should not receive any Michigan delegates. This is ridiculous, and very undemocratic.

    Obama did not have to remove his name from the ballots, however he did and therefore Clinton should receive full delegates. Obama in accordance to democracy and the vote of people should receive nothing.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  10. Jean

    What she does now, will be re-run over and over for the next 4 years and beyond in her life. She could win most in the long run by losing graciously.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  11. silas

    Josh

    U can't sit all the delegates from Michigan while Baracks name was not in the ballot. Yes he did pull his name but that was a respect to the bylaws committee.

    So I hope with this decision all of us democrats got to come together unified as 1 democratical party.

    Pls Clinton supporters is time for us to come together guys please

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  12. World view

    Last point before I go to bed there is no way to argue that she is entitled to all the votes in Michigan. Her name was the only one on the ballot and little over 1/2 the voters that turned out chose her.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  13. odinknows

    josh you're an idiot. Hillary agreed that these delegates would not be seated. i am sure you didnt give them much thought either until Hillary started to get her butt kicked. Now she and her followers are desperate for anything option that could possibly lead to her victory as the democratic candidate. she is doing anything to win and could care less about the will of the people. what person of any intelligence would consider giving her all of the delegates in a state that only one candidates name appeared on the ballot. Barracks name was not "conveniently" absent from the ballot you idiot... he followed the rules, did not campaign nor register his name... just as edwards and all other democratic candidates at the time. Only Swillary had her name on the ballot, probably as a fail safe should the unthinkable happen. In the event you dont know what the unthinkable is.... it is her getting her butt kicked as is happening now. pretty soon this BS will be over and the country can get on with electing our next president. I hate to break the news to you...... It wont be Swillary........

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  14. Anonymous

    Josh, that doesnt make any sense, how would it be FAIR to have all of Michigans delegates be in Clintons favor. 40-45% of the voters casted a vote of "Undecided" instead of voting for her. Even if they did count each as a full vote – she could have picked up 20 delegates. If you dont like the split they gave her – fine – give her 30. Whatever.

    Same deal in Florida. IF you go by the vote count there – she would pick up about 35-40 delegates (my rough estimate based on percentages only)

    Obama has a 200 delegate lead. The voters have spoken. They want Obama.

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  15. El Máximo Gutierrez

    WE LOVE YOU OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!

    EX-HILLARY SUPPORTERS NOW REALIZE THAT SHE IS A LYING MANIPULATOR WHO MUST BE STOPPED!!

    OBAMA '08 & '12

    Si Se PuEdE jEs We CaN sI sE pUeDe JeS wE cAN!!!!!!!!!!

    May 31, 2008 11:53 pm at 11:53 pm |
  16. benji

    Josh-

    You are wrong. Both Clinton and Obama (like other candidates) agreed to the rule that Michigan votes will not count and agreed to pull their names off of the ballot. Obama did as he promised. Clinton changed her mind and left her name on the ballot. Michigan people had only two choices (other than Chris Dodd). Clinton or uncommitted. Surprisingly, many people voted for uncommitted. And now she is saying that all votes casted for her should count and none of the uncommitted votes should be counted for Obama. Do you get it? Clinton is a liar and hypocrite.

    May 31, 2008 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm |
  17. Mary

    Josh,

    Keep in mind that HRC only wanted your votes/delegates after she and her campaign realized that MI and FL would be needed in her attempt to overtake Obama and she had said on several documented occasions that both states should be penalized for moving up their respective primaries.

    So in all fairness, your anger should be directed at HRC and the mismanagement of her campaign and not at OB and his staff.

    It rarely pays to change the rules of the game when you do not like the outcome.

    May 31, 2008 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm |
  18. Beverly, Kalamazoo, MI

    Josh, I need to comment on your statement that Obama "conveniently did not put his name on the ballot.." Are you kidding??? Clinton was the only major candidate on the ballot, all the others took their names off our of respect of the rules of the DNC. If anything she is the one that was wrong. Many voters that supported Obama didn't vote or voted uncommited. How fair would it have been to give all the delegates to Clinon and ignore all the people of Michigan that supported Obama but couldn't vote for him. The Dems running our state made this mess...I think they should all be ashamed of themselves! Hopefully people will remember this and vote them all out.

    May 31, 2008 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm |
  19. Jake

    Well, Dean and Pelosi hate you back so nana nana boo boo. Grow up. Clinton went against the rules and had her name on the ballot because she thought she could sneak a slick one in. Obama played by the rules and like all the others had his name taken off. He is a rule keeper. She's not and that shows you how she would run our country. Not for you and me but only for her. The only other fair thing to do would be a re-vote, but then since Barack has shown his leadership and electability over adversity he would probably have gotten more votes now than what they gave him. So she should thank the DNC for being so generous when she doesn't play nice in the sand box.

    May 31, 2008 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm |
  20. Pam, Tennessee

    Josh-Obama didn't have his name on the Michigan ballot because all the candidates agreed before hand not to campaign in Michigan and Florida. Hilary is the only one that reneged on the agreement.

    May 31, 2008 11:54 pm at 11:54 pm |
  21. Jimi NY

    Hillary got what she got and she's lucky she got that. She shouldn't have gotten anything because the rules were the rules. I hope she doesn't try to appeal this in August. We have had ENOUGH!
    OBAMA '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  22. Chloe

    Of course you're not happy. That's because you're applying the selective ethics that Clinton has been all to happy to embrace during her campaign. See...it doesn't matter to you that both states broke the rules. It doesn't matter to you that Clinton broke the rules by campaigning in Florida and leaving her name on the ballot in Michigan. It doesn't matter that all candidates agreed and signed that the delegates from those states would not be seated. It really and truly doesn't matter that all of the people in both Michigan and Florida who DIDN'T vote because they knew their votes wouldn't count are now disenfranchised because now the votes do count, at Hillary's insistence. See, the answer to breaking the rules in Hillary's world is to break them even further and then insist that everyone else follow suit. After all that...of course you're still not happy, because, after all the effort spent on being unethical...things still did not fall in Hillary's favor. Stop screeching and get behind your democratic nominee. Obama '08.

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  23. colene

    Remember these states broke the rules and i think everyone came out as a winner. Let's move on for a victory in November.

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  24. javell from Florida

    Yep the Undemocratic Party was at it again today. Tell Obama to stay home. Florida isn't interested in meeting a phony who preaches unity but practices divisiveness, silences and squelches all dissent and disagreement, and changes things by throwing the old Democratic coalition on the trash heap. "A different kind of politics?" Donna Brazile is Kathryn Harrison, Barack Obama is Dubya, Howard Dean is Jeb Bush, and the DNC just became the 2000 Republican Party. I was here in 2000 and watched the Republicans steal the presidential election. Today, I watched the DNC leadership and the Obama Campaign steal the 2008 Democratic nomination. IIt feels a lot worse when it is your own party. I am disgusted.

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  25. Will

    Has anybody considered for a second that perhaps the people of Florida and Michigan should be angry with their state governments for allowing the primaries to be moved instead of the DNC for enforcing the rules that, *gasp*, they said they would enforce?

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
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