May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
12 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."


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soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. Gosh

    Harold Ickes is the fall guy for the clinetons...Guess Hillary will now be forced to throw him under the bus in the next few days even though Billaries probably incited Ickes to make these foolish comments...

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  2. Adam

    OK, so since the rules apparently don't mean anything, is the first primary for the next presidential election going to be January 27, 2009?

    How can you say that Hillary should get all the delegates when the choices were her and no one. Especially since no one got around 30-40% of the votes

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  3. JD

    Josh at 11:29 PM is the embodiment of a Hillary supporter.

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  4. Kathy

    The democrats have lost the White House-AGAIN. This has become the party of losers-period.
    The DNC party chairs are shameful-yeah right count every vote-every vote should count-that was their slogan in 2000 when they spend millions of party money to count votes. It was OK to do so then-but today is different-O yeah, I forgot-they think Obama is qualified.
    Well-DNC, Clinton supporters will write the last chapter on this drama--an exercise in politics---no need to count our votes in Nov, we won't be voting-You idiots have NO SHAME !!!!

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  5. Q

    Josh ,,,i disagree with you...as Donna Brasile said..rules are rules and you do not change the rules at the end of a game because you cannot win. stuff that our parents taughts us...

    The decision is overly fair to the Clintons family

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  6. bettyc, Havre de Grace, MD

    The delusionary conduct of Mrs. Clinton and her posse is really disturbing, because it could lead to a third term of George Bush, and, if that were to happen, we would not have a country to which we could be patriotic. This Chinese already say they could destroy our power grid, and I really believe the excessive globalization the Clinton want to be a means to them becoming billionaires would make us subservient to the Chinese, the Saudis, and the Japanese. (and it would be their repayment for us killing hundreds of thousands ofthem. – perhaps we can understand that enormity when we consider how we reacted to 3000 deaths on September 11th. ) We need to put ourselves in the place of others before people like the Clintons, the Bushes and the McCains destroy us all.

    May 31, 2008 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm |
  7. Todd

    So because Obama followed the rules, which at the time Hillary had no objection to, he should be penalized? She wouldn't have cared if the tables were turned. Otherwise why didn't she speak up the first time? And given that it was Michigan and Florida's ELECTED officials who proceeded knowing full well the consequences I find it remarkably blind not to lay the blame for all this mess squarely at their feet by voting them out at the earlies chance. I find it mind boggling that everyone has convieniently forgotten that's the whole reason you vote; to hold your representatives accountable. Now let's move on and keep the Bush to just two terms!!

    May 31, 2008 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm |
  8. Nicolas Smith

    Don't hate no one my friend. Society is governed by rules and today Americans showed that they are not robots and willing to compromise. Your canidate ran a poor campaign for the start and then moved the goal post along the way. This is a accomodative decision in the best interest of everyone. Now the clintons and obama can make their case for the nomination while RNC gets stronger.

    May 31, 2008 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm |
  9. Chris in Ohio

    Hoo-Rah! Obama!

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  10. John

    Josh, are you from Michigan? I am and can say that the dialoge is different here. Many of us did not vote since we knew it did not count. Forty percent voted non-committed, as Obama asked those who support him to do. Who else would vote that way? If his name were on that ballot and the votes actually counted the vote percentage for Obama would have been much higher. Clinton is lucky to get the number of delegates she got today. Either way she is done. Move on man!

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  11. Rich

    I think the decision was a good one. Hillary should not have been on
    the ballot. So i think it was a fair decision. As for Harold Ickes and most Hillary supporters you are starting to beg for the nod,and it
    is becoming very sad.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  12. Mish

    i thought it was a fair compromise.condiering these two states broke the rules which was finew with Hillary till she started losing and then wanted the rules changed in the middle of the game!!Hillary clinton got more delegates in both states than Obama did ..the reality is.. he is far ahead of her in delegates
    Lets hope she is mature enough to help unite her party!
    I thought her supporters acted like a bunch of ticked off kindergarten kids. How immature to cause such a ruckus at the meeting!!!

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  13. Xavier

    The decision was fair. Clinton supporters like to talk about having all votes be counted. By ignoring those who chose not to vote for Clinton in Michigan, and by ignoring caucus states when it comes to popular vote totals, arent they doing the exact same thing that they are complaining about?

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  14. Bryan

    It really is amazing at what Hillary says – she voted IN FAVOR of stripping Michigan and Florida of their delegates, then as soon as she wins there, "oh boohoo – let's seat em all". Her stance here reflects her campaign completely – she never tells the truth and goes back and forth. Obama did not put his name on the ballot in ACCORDANCE with the DNC. You might hate Pelosi and Dean, but in truth, Florida and Michigan broke the rules, and Hillary voted to strip them. The fact that they even get a vote is amazing. Hillary supporters should not get greedy and accept this decision as a victory.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  15. Chris from Michigan

    I think today's decision was about as fair as it could be, seeing as how only 600,000 of the some 7 million registered voters actually voted in the first place in this state. I can bet anything I own that if there had been a re-vote that Obama would have carried this state by a margin of at least 10-15 points. But truth be told, Hillary got what she wanted in the end and the votes of those who voted were counted, without those of whom wrote in Obama, including myself. Am I happy that my vote didn't count in the end? No. But am I happy that Hillary got a slap in the face after all her badgering of her own party even though she had fun jumping on the bandwagon back when the DNC decided not to count those votes before hand; yes! Congratulations Hillary, you got your way, and still you trail.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  16. Reggie - Texas

    I am an Obama supporter and I am very happy that the DNC stood up for what was right. The rules are the rules and Hill and Bill can't expect to cheat in order to get their way. Mrs. Clinton was only in favor of counting the votes in MI and FL after she realized she needed them. It is time to move on from this and unite for the fall. For a long time now, presidential nominations have been based on the delegate count and this year is no different. Obama won fair and square and no one should take that away from him. Mrs. Clinton, as one of your former supporters, I hope that you cease and desist and do what is right for our great country.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  17. Richard, FL

    It is incredible that ANYONE could claim that Hillary won Michigan 328,309 to ZERO! It is beyond comprehension that anyone could claim any amount of fairness when Hillary agreed that Michigan would not count it and then claims that she won. It shows a complete lack of honesty and apparently how little her word is worth.

    Consciences prevent Hillary supporters from claiming that she won the greatest election landslide in the history of the free world.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  18. Anonymous

    Josh, using the vote totals she should have gotten ONLY the 69 delegates, because she only won 55% of the vote, which frankly is pitiful considering she was the only one on the ballot. Face it, its over. Unless Hillary is intent on destroying the Democratic party by taking it to the convention.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  19. Melmarie

    First of all CNN, why is it taking so long for you to post my first comment but you would post crazy racist comments by people like JOSH. I noticed that you always post his nasty racist comments all of the time. This is why Obama will be the nominee in spite of Hillary's divisive supporters.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  20. Marianne

    Everyone knows that Hillary Clinton should be very grateful for the results. Barack Obama's name was not even on the ballot in Michigan because he played by the rules. But in Pennsylvania there were reports that certain ballots only had her name also. Only the Clintons would pull a trick like that. They accuse the opposition of cheating when it is they who cheat and lie. No one wants a liar and a cheat for president. She cannot claim herself queen or empress of the USA. She only wants to be elected president so she can invoke executive privilege since a court case against her is coming up soon. That is why she is so desperate to claim the presidency. Her husband is also being investigated. The taxpayers foolishly will pay for their mistakes and prosecutions as they bask in their wealth.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  21. David

    It's SO convenient that Clinton agreed to the rules when she thought she was ahead, but now that she's a loser, she wants to change the rules.

    I felt sorry for Florida – they had their troubles laid on them by a Republican legislature and Republican governor who quite deliberately put the Democrats in a tough spot. BUT – to have the Democratic governor of MI whining about how his state was treated unfairly was just repulsive.

    Mrs. Clinton could take 100% of both delegations, and she'd still be a loser. What she's shown this week is that she'll happily take the country with her.

    May 31, 2008 11:57 pm at 11:57 pm |
  22. Denise

    I am glad this is close to being resolved. It is completely unfair of Hillary to receive all the delegates, when she had agreed not to campaign in that state. How conveinent now that she is losing that all of us sudden she cares about MI and Fl, she didn't seem to care before she was losing.

    May 31, 2008 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm |
  23. dan

    Josh 11;29: Love that Democratic unity thing we were all going to have after the meeting today!!

    I commend the committee for a rational, reasonable proceeding, which yielded an acceptable if not optimal result for all concerned.

    May 31, 2008 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm |
  24. Bryan

    I am a former Edwards supporter turned to Obama. I am also from Michigan. I remember walking into my polling site with the full intention of voting for Edwards (being unaware of what had happened) and to my dismay I found that the only democrat on the ballot was Hillary Clinton. In an effort to support my party I reluctantly voted for her only because I had no other choice, and didnt want to vote republican.
    I find it upsetting that now this late in the game Senator Clinton is making a last attempt at getting nominated by dividing our party when she made it clear that our race didnt matter (except when she needs us). Senator Obama and others pulled their names off of the ballot in MI to show their support for the DNC and the and the rules committee. I feel that if it wasnt against the law in Florida they would have pulled their names there as well.
    Senator Clinton has run an amazing race and she should be commended but she has to face the music and help us elect a democrat to the white house instead of making a "I win or no one does" race.

    May 31, 2008 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm |
  25. E.D.A.

    I am so happy with the decision. And truth be told, Hillary was the only one that conveniently left her name on the ballot in Michigan. Why didn't she, like the other candidates, take her name off?? Because she is sneaky like that! Obama wasn't the only other candidate at that time that took his name off the ballot. She will find a way to turn things around to her advantage. If the tables were turned, she would be saying that Michigan and FL broke the rules and that their votes should not count. I DO NOT TRUST HER.

    Go Obama!!!!

    May 31, 2008 11:58 pm at 11:58 pm |
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