May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
12 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."


Filed under: DNC • Michigan
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  1. Anonymous

    It's a sad world we live in when the idiots who whine the loudest get their way.

    June 1, 2008 12:08 am at 12:08 am |
  2. oneway

    Josh get over it

    June 1, 2008 12:08 am at 12:08 am |
  3. Coop

    Get over it Josh hillary is done, and didnt she agree that Fla and Michigan should be penalized? Oh, that was before she realized that Obama was likely to win the nomination. Clinton supporters are as crazy as she is, lets move on and get the republicans out of the white house. I am sure you are tired of high gas, and food prices. Unless of curse you are one of her dumb supporters that said they would vote for mcain if she loses the nomination. Then all of you idiots will be crying if mcain gets in and messes up the economy even more. Hillary is a loser, get over it and support obama, or pay the price, literally.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  4. Cody

    grow up and get over it.....The beginning of the end for Clinton

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  5. Hector from Los Angeles

    Clinton knew that this would happen and she also knows that her supporters don't fully understand the rules, or even care. Knowing that, she deliberately stoked the flames of injustice and sexist resentment. Now she's splitting the party apart and causing a rift that will only lead to 4 more years of Bush policies.

    Hillary supporters, wake up!! She wants you to be angry, she wants you to not support Obama so that the dems lose the race in November. She wants to be able to say "I told you so".

    This is not about Hillary, or Obama. This is about our country!! Vote for Obama. Lets move past the self serving tactics and bloated egos. Lets move on and look toward November. Lets unite behind Obama!!

    Obama '08!!!!

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  6. Alex

    Even though that I am an Obama supporter, I agree somewhat with Josh (see the first comment under this thread). This system of Delegates and Superdelagetes, as well as the electoral college undermines the ideals of the democratic process. There should only be the popular vote, and that's it. Every American deserves an equal and even voice on who leads their country.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  7. Trish

    Josh, give me a break. "Obama 'conveniently' did not put his name on the ballot"? Considering the fact that he would have *won* had Michigan played by the rules, I find it decidedly 'inconvenient' that Hillary broke the rules and left her name on the ballot, when EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE (Edwards, Biden, Dodd, Richardson) took theirs off in deference to the rules. Rules, by the way, that were written in large part by none other than Harold Ickes - Hillary's campaign manager - and agreed to LAST YEAR by all the candidates. Hillary herself had no problem with those rules until she was losing.

    I'm tired of politicians who don't take responsibility for their own mistakes. Hillary simply did not run the best campaign. Period. And no amount of sink-throwing, whining, or trying to move the goalposts is going to change that.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  8. Andy

    We will never know the accurate reflections of the "judgement" of Michigan and Florida voters despite the moanings, whining, and protestations of Harold Ickes. Although I hate to see a vote "not counted", changing the rules after the fact does not, despite Clintons claims, accurately represent the will of the voter. Obama did not campaign there due to the rules and with his name not on the ballot did not have exert the influence on the contest he could have. We should not reward those states for breaking rules. The solution, while not ideal, was the most of those proposed.

    At some point Hillary must set aside her self interests for the good of the party. She is starting to sound like Bush in 2000. She has lost. Move on.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  9. hugo

    I think we need the UN to send election observers. The DNC is being run like a banana republic. I donated more $$ to Clinton so she can take it to the credentials committee. Donna Brazille should be fired from CNN because she supports a political candidate. she should resign from the DNC because she failed to do her job. Howard Dean should be sued for malpractice. Had they done their jobs, this should never have reached the crisis stage. In the real world they would both be fired. Hillary keep running. The DNC's annointed one is going to self-destruct.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  10. Cindy

    I agree with Josh. I too am Clinton supporter and fair is fair. The DNC is being biased in favor of Obama. Its time that Clinton gets what rightfully is hers. She has earned the Votes. How qiuckly people forget the last two elections and it was said ALL THE VOTES NEEDED TO BE COUNTED. Where is this any different.
    Go Hillary !!!!!!

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  11. The Disagreer

    those who are the "deciders" are setting a dangerous precedent on this issue. the decision was made to penalize those states that held early primaries. therefore, that decision should be enforced. the danger is that other states, in the future, may decide to hold early primaries, knowing that their delegates would still get seated n some capacity. political leaders may feel that the risk in holding those primaries would be worth it, realizing that the "penalty' to be received would be whatever is metered to FL and Mi.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  12. Anonymous

    As a Michigan voter, I must say that the primary Clinton supposedly one was not a fair election, and to claim so is disingenuous. This is a fair decision for the people of Michigan, including those who did not vote because they had no choice.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  13. Stacey

    Obama removed his name from Michigan in deference to the DNC's decision that Michigan and Florida would not be counted due to THEIR rule breaking.

    Why should he be punished because he followed the rules and respected his party's decision?

    I think this decision MORE than fair to Mrs. Clinton. Considering she :
    1. agreed that Michigan votes would not count. AT ALL.
    2. has been quoted and is on record as stating that "everyone knows Michigan votes will not count." as reason for NOT removing her name from the ballot.

    I am neither an Obama or a Clinton supporter. I find this entire situation untenable. Mrs. Clinton was for the war before she was against it, and was for the DNC rules stripping Michigan of it's delegates before she was against it.

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  14. Rob

    Justice is finally served, lets move on and take the white house

    Obama 2008

    June 1, 2008 12:09 am at 12:09 am |
  15. Michael

    Take it to the convention Hillary. We've got your back. You are our only hope for winning in November, too much is at stake. Sandra Day O'Conner is gone and John Paul Stevens is nearly 90 years old. Affirmative action and a woman's right to choose hangs in the balance when some are only interested in electing a black president who can't win.

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  16. Andy

    We will never know the accurate reflections of the "judgement" of Michigan and Florida voters despite the moanings, whining, and protestations of Harold Ickes. Although I hate to see a vote "not counted", changing the rules after the fact does not, despite Clintons claims, accurately represent the will of the voter. Obama did not campaign there due to the rules and with his name not on the ballot did not have exert the influence on the contest he could have. We should not reward those states for breaking rules. The solution, while not ideal, was the most fair of those proposed.

    At some point Hillary must set aside her self interests for the good of the party. She is starting to sound like Bush in 2000. She has lost. Move on.

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  17. rules are rules

    hillary clinton is in this not for the people- but for herself...more clinton lies....otherwise the compromise reached today would be sufficient...more clinton deceit..

    obama biden '08

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  18. Lee

    To : supporters of Sen Clinton who disagree with the decision to grant Sen Obama some of the Michigan delegates.
    As I understand it, you feel that his receiving any votes from that state is unfair because he removed his name from the ballot so no votes were (provably) cast for him. That is according to the rules of an election. However, if you take the position of "following rules" to its logical conclusion, it is unfair for ANYONE to receive votes from either FL or MI because they were stripped of their candidates. (Old news, by now.) The time to protest that decision to strip the states of their candidates was when the decision was made and before anyone signed the agreement to uphold that rule.
    I still have not decided which candidate will earn my vote in November, but I am losing my admiration for Sen Clinton over her behavior on this issue.

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  19. Ben

    At least it wasn’t left unresolved, and now there’s finality with Michigan and Florida. I was disappointed by the Clinton supporters at the meeting and how disrespectful they were to the Democratic National Committee members with all their interruptions. As a democrat, I’m saddened by the fact that if Clinton can’t win she’s willing to drag down the Democratic Party with her. A true democrat would put the party first.

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  20. The Voice of Reason

    They ought to have held a revote and awarded the pledged delegates in full (or in half, either way..) while giving them no pledged delegates.

    This decision is a very good one as of this point in time because no decision will make everyone happy anyway, but God, Michigan and Florida deserved zero. ZERO. At least now they'll technically have a say so they won't be whining in November and McCain stays out of office.

    The DNC ought to schedule the primaries and caucuses for each state, with smaller states out front, 10 every tuesday for 5 weeks and that can be the end of it.

    Isn't life easy if you do that?

    Just saying.

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  21. Kate

    Wow. I never thought I would vote independently, if Hillary runs that way, or for a republican. thanks DNC for giving the election back to the Republicans next year. Untried, untested, unknown, unamerican.....what did it take to convince anyone that Senator Obama can't win in the general election? Bias, sexist, CNN, you and MSNBC have disappointed me so much this year. Where is unbiased reporting? Gone by the way of fear. Fear NOT to elect a black man? Fear TO elect a woman? Which is it?

    June 1, 2008 12:10 am at 12:10 am |
  22. chris nguyen

    let us show how democratic way work in august ..all pledge and supper delegates will have to vote for whoever best to elected in Nov.. and certainly Clinton is the one.. not that radical ill judgement obama.. for sure

    June 1, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am |
  23. commonsense

    Who says cheaters never when. This is such a bad example to set for our children. How do you tell a child not to do something or they will be punished and then not punish them. You are teaching them your word does not mean anything. You cant play basketball because you are failing. Oh wait it is the championship and we need you so you can play half the game (to help us get ahead) but then you have to sit back on the bench( we might need to use you again). Shame on the party. We are starting to look like clowns...

    June 1, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am |
  24. GOD BLESS OBAMA

    EVERYTIME THE cLinton camp wants to move the goal post why?

    June 1, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am |
  25. Ben

    Josh – that's entirely ridiculous. Obama "conveniently" did not put his name on the ballot? He didn't put his name on the ballot because BOTH he AND Hillary agreed to the rules put forward by the DNC. Hillary has only changed her tune as a last-ditch effort to salvage a losing campaign.

    Ickes and Clinton are upset that, in addition to the votes apportioned for "Uncommitted", Obama was given FOUR more delegates that would otherwise have gone to Clinton, to reflect the fact that, had Obama been on the ballot, and had Michigan not broken the primary rules, more Obama supporters would likely have voted.

    So explain to me - why would it make sense to appeal this decision to the full Credentials Committee, and hold this process over until the convention, over a measly FOUR delegates, when Clinton is over 200 delegates behind? Is it seriously worth it if it results in a President McCain?

    I voted for Hillary when she ran for Senator in New York, but I have lost all respect for her. She has shown herself to be petty, power-hungry, and determined to knock down anyone who gets in her way through whatever means necessary and regardless of the consequences. Rather than accepting defeat gracefully and working to unite the party, she is destroying us from the inside out. If McCain wins in November, I place the blame squarely at Clinton's feet.

    June 1, 2008 12:11 am at 12:11 am |
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