May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
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Josh,
You, like the other Hillary supporters, are an idiot. Hillary agreed to the penalties and then wormed her way onto the ballot. The only thing the Michigan vote proves is her lack of integrity and that she can beat Kucinich. You are all living in a delusional world. You believe Hillary has "experience" despite a complete lack of it. The only experience she has is shared by Monica Lewinsky (hint: it has nothing to do with politics) and the presidential cat, "Socks". You believe her repeated lies despite repeated hard facts against them. You are blind to the fact that she is as poisonous and dirty a politician as Karl Rove and George Bush ever were. You refuse to accept the reality that the only thing that cost Hillary this election is Hillary, not the media, not Pelosi, not Dean. Be an adults and accept responsibility and stop looking for people to blame. Furthermore, Hillary couldn't beat Obama in a primary so stop talking as if she can beat McCain.
First Bill Clinton costs Gore the election with antics giving us 8 years of George Bush. Now Hillary can continue his legacy by costing the Dems and election once again. In the ultimate irony, many of these women who are voting for Hillary for the mere fact she is woman and profess that they will never vote for Obama will face a Supreme Court that will roll back Roe v. Wade, affirmative action and many other civil rights. That'll teach Obama!
I have been a democrat since I can remember and I am so disgusted by what happened today.
The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee does not speak for a whole state.
It is our vote that counts not yours.
Shame on you!
Josh you are an idiot. Hillary knew the rules and she had no problems with it until she realized that she was losing. You can't change the rules in the middle of the game. What does that say about her character and yours. I am sure you were raised better than that.
Congratulations Hillary supporters. Michigan and Florida cheated and was given a gift by the DNC in this vote. None should have been seated but Mrs. Clinton whined and moaned after agreeing at the beginning of the primary season that their votes would be stripped. Only when she realized she would lose did she flip flop and start complaining about how the voters were "disenfranchised". Don't you see Clinton supporters, Hillary is only concerned about herself and not your votes. She will stop at nothing to get into the White House, even if it means splitting up the Democratic Party. Oh, and by the way, Obama still only has 67 delegates to go to Clinton's 200 plus. This game was over and still is over. Unite under Obama or we'll have 4 more years of Iraq.
Hey Josh, the deal was fair, who's to say all of the votes clinton got were hers, and not just votes because she happened to be the strongest democrat on the ballot...
The deal was fair, she will have to deal with it, and realize she has lost...
As usual the spin is in favor of Obama. What the reporters and leadership fail to mention is that Obama and Edwards removed their name from the Michigan ballot because they knew they would lose. This way it didn't count as a loss. Florida wouldn"t allow them to remove their name. There was no rule or suggestion that any candidate take their name off the ballot.
I am gravely disappointed. Watching the proceedings today was like looking behind the curtain in Oz. What a farce. What right do a hand full of people have to dictate who the candidates will be?
I am through with the party and will not vote for Obama.
For Clinton supporters to say in one breath we want ALL voices to count but then say count the results of the invalid election as it was cast is bizarre.
Do you REALLY think that those result reflected the will of the Democrats in MI? So 45% (uncommited) would not have voted for another candidate had it been valid? Also, would not the dynamic been different if all 8 candidates were allowed to introduce themselves to MI by campaigning? It's crazy for people to think that 55% of MI voters wanted Clinton and no other candidate would have won any delegates?
So, while I'm upset that it had to come down to this, I think that any consideration to these invalid results was very generous in making the decision the DNC rules team made today.
Living in Michigan I really think that the Michigan delegation should of been given full votes with the exception of the states leadership that caused this problem. We would not be in this position without the poor descisions made at the top. This was not caused by Obama or the national DNC.
i believe this is more than fair. lets not forget that hilary agreed that both michigan and florida would not count and now she's acting like the dnc are not being democratic. she cant change the rules at the end of the game because she is losing. i actually like the decision because florida and michigan voters do recieve some recognition. The problem with seating every delegate at full strength is that in the future other states will be able to move their primaries up without penalty. why have rules.
my mama taught me to follow the rules and not cheat! lol
The bottom line is the only fair way to do this was to revote in MI and FL. Second aside from the delgate count Clinton will end this Primary fight with the Popular vote. According to every upstanding Democrat the Popular vote is the will of the people as in what happened between Bush and Gore in 2000. If Obama is Selected will he meet with the same criticism that Bush got? This speaks volumes to the hypocrisy of the Democratic party.
I knew the DNC had no balls to keep MI at zero delegates.
Josh,
Obama just followed the decision put forward by the Rules Committee of the Democratic Party. Maybe Mrs. Clinton should get ALL those votes while at the same time being THROWN OUT of the Democratic Party for IGNORING the Rules Committee?
Jan
Ohh shut up and stop whinning,am for Hillary but this is bigger than Hillary,its the future of our great nation at stake.I never honestly expected a decision that will go against Obama and may be,just may be hand over the nomination to Hillary.That would turn the party upside down.In the interest of party unity,lets move forward.
Hey Josh,
Obama, like every other candidate except Clinton, took his name off the ballot after everyone agreed that Michigan broke the rules and would not count. You said he (Obama) "did not put his name on the ballot".That, Josh, is simply not true.
This whole thing was nothing but a "dog and pony show" anyway. I'm going to relish in the concession speech from Clinton on Wednesday. Nah nah nah nah, hey hey hey, GOODBYE!
Yeah, I know I will be moderated out. I can live with it and if you even got a chuckle out of it while deleting my post it was well worth it.
Please can someone tell me whether T. J. Holmes is married. He is the man of my dreams.
Obviously Josh is not looking at ALL the facts and making extremely biased statements that will be ignored by everybody.
Rules my friend...rules..
It's a weightless solution. They were too careful not too alter the outcome.
Rules are rules period, end of sentence.
Josh, why are you so mad at Obama for removing his name from the Michigan ballot? He was told that Michigan broke the DNC rules by moving up their primary date and as result their votes would not count. The majority of you Hillary supporters are upset that Obama followed the rules and the DNC decided to compromise, even though they should have stood by their rules. What's the point of having rules when no one takes them seriously?
I wonder what Hillary and her supporters would be saying if the roles were reversed!! I bet she'd be saying how important it is for the DNC to uphold their original ruling and how now would be a good time for her opponent to accept defeat.
I use to admire Hillary Clinton, but I have lost all respect for her during the course of this campaign (especially after Bosnia). Her supporters remind me of the arrogant republicans that defend the Bush administration with irrational talking points.
I believe it was the right thing to do. If the shoe was on the other foot, there is no way Hillary Clinton would have agreed to have all of the delegates seated. It's so obvious that Obama is a fair person and tries to do the right thing for his rival although she would have never done the same thing for him. Reverend Pfleger was right. She is a crying Clinton that thinks the world owes her and her husband something. I am a true democrat and I used to like them until she started whiningand lying about everything and he started bringing race into the picture. The meer fact that African Americans once said he was the first president is inconceivable to me. That's where ignorance comes into play. A white man could never know how it feels to be a black person because they are so used to having things go their way. I'm so sick and tired of women thinking that they have to vote for her because she will be the first woman as president. You should vote because of honesty and integrity. Obama has all of this and more. He's very intelligent and she can't stand the fact that a black man is beating a Clinton. Get over yourself Hillary and go crawl back into your hole with your red nose husband. Obama all the way.
That primary was not legitimate and everyone knows it. I am glad that the Rules Committee were able to see through the nonsense and arrive at a fair decision. I have grown up believing that whats fair is fair and that everyone should play by the rules! I hope to raise my children to believe same and not to think that the end always justifies the means.
Josh people like you are exactly the reason Hillary is behind in every count that matters. It is sad that the only thing your candidate has taught her voters is to hate. Truth is nobody is going to feel sorry for this grown woman who decided before this primary begin that she will win... because she is a Clinton....and just as you hate the DNC. I am sure that they will NOT ,miss a blink tonight as they sleep
Although I want Hillary to win, I was appalled by what I witnessed at the DNC meeting today. Every participant in any competition understands that the rules agreed to at the beginning are the same rules that apply at the end.
All this double talk and shading of the facts doesn't change anything.
She was robbed. Watch as a democrat changes into an independent. Bye Bye DNC