May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
She is bitter and she is making me sick she got a boost and is still unhappy. I HATE HRC AND THE WHOLE CREW...SHE SHOULD FIND MONICA AND TAKE IT OUT ON HER SHE IS THE ONE WHO MADE HER LIKE THIS ANYWAY
OBAMA LOVERS PIZZA...COLUMBUS OHIO
This is a mess, especially Michigan. It sends a terrible message that breaking the rules only punishes you by half, it makes those who weren't on a ballot (because that was the rule at the time) look like suckers who should've known that delegates would've been reinstated at some future point. I thought the best solution would've been redo primaries in MI and FL, after June 3rd. It's a shame that option was unavailable.
The argument that the Republicans pushed the primary forward in Michigan is weak. Several states have separate primaries.
Dems... fix this before 2012.
HillaryGive it up, stop causeing all this conflict ,we have spoken we do not want the clintons back in the White House. You and your husband are making yourselves look crazy, stop changing your mind, stop lying and go home.
I have to tell you my husband and I just watched the rules committee meeting. I am disgusted at the partisanship on the Clinton side......Especially Mr. Ikes!!!! He calls himself a democrat????? He isnt interested in unification of the party he is interested in his and his candidate's interests!!! If he truely wanted all the votes counted he would want all the michigan voters write in votes to count as well. He doesnt care about party unity he cares about advancing himself and his candidate. ANY fare minded person looking at this imperfect process would see that this was a good middle ground. I am soooooo disappointed in senator Clinton and the Dirty campain she has run. She has learned a lot of the drity politicing from her Republican rivals. This is not a football game where you blindly support your team we are fighting for the integrety of this country and that of this party. If Obama looses I will in part blame her for all the amumition they have given the Republicans!! Changing rules, suspending reality and re-inventing the truth....That is what the clintons seem to be about. She has no scrupules or dignity she will drag everyone through the mud with her.
Disgusting!!!!!
They shoudnt have counted any. It isnt a democracy when both candidates AGREE to punish MI anf FL in the beginning and then one bitter candidate begs and whines like a 5 year old to change the rules. You cant change the rules as you go. If anything that is what is UNDEMOCRATIC Billary.
It's all about Hillary and her EGO and hunger for POWER. Please don't let her destroy the Democratic Party. She will if she can.
Please SuperDelegates cast your vote and finish this. Barack Obama has Hillary and McCain coming at him.
YES WE CAN
I am really pleased with the DNC decision. It is fair. I know at the end Hillary Clinton will make the right decision not to drag this all the way to the convention. I am not the biggest fan of Mrs Clinton but I will gadly support her if she is on the ticket. We need to be united in order to beat the republican in November.
The DNC is highly praised for their honesty, fairness, justice and patrotism. People like Harold should be ashamed of themselves for sowing the seed of discord. Hillary could even take the fight to Resuming Committee talkless of Credentials. If anybody will come out to say that the people of Michigan are foolish to arrive in the formular presented by their Chairman (69-59); such a person is actually the father of foolishness, not the responsible people of Michigan.
Femi- Happy with the decision.
The side effect for DNC indecisive on issue of Michigan and Florida delegates hurt Mrs. Clinton very much in the 2008 presidential election. It is reasonable for her to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee.
go clinton, you just had to do this, even if the math doesn't add up in your favor. in the end obama will come out ahead,
obama 08
I'd like someone....ANYONE, to explain to me how Senator Clinton's backers mean to justify her attempt to receive ALL the Michigan delegates? She was the ONLY major candidate on the ballot. How could she lose?
It's just a shame that these two states broke the rules that the other 48 states abided by, and yet with enough whining, it gets excused somewhat.
Great example for our young people.
If rule matter, then:
1. Democratic Party sets the rule. This is not an election but selection of a candidate. If there were no free and fair elections, then the Democratic Party has the final word.
2. In a technically flawed election, "my vote counts" argument is phony.
3. When the candidates agree, then they should be held to the agreement.
4. In every state Obama's share of votes increased after campaigning. Not campaigning in the early stages of these contests adversely affected Obama. Obama’s name was not even on the ballot for Mi. The argument that popular votes should count in these states as cast is therefore dishonest.
Therefore, the right solution, seat half the pledge delegates from the two states and then divide them equally!
Mrs. Clinton, do not play dirty, stop this non-sense! The elections in Fl and Mi were a sham, at best. Don't learn from Mugabe how to cheat after losing.
The DNC has spoken. If she takes this any further she can kiss her career good-buy. She has done enough damage to our prospects in the General alreay. Have some grace, Hillary.
thank god this thing is over,now we can move on.hope the clitons can now see the light.......bye hillary
Unity! Unity! Unity!
What did Hillary expect? Give that little spoiled child everything so its stops crying?
Obama was geneous like a president should be.
But, as we all know you keep shouting , it won't get you anywhere.
I hope not...it's time to unite. "It is what it is."
This was the most fair way of resolving this issue. Hillary needs to bring this party together. Hillary the primary show is over. Let's go and beat McCain.
i watched the whole thing..and my opinion is simply that Florida and Michigan should be happy that they are seated...with the statement Mr. Icky(pun intended) made, he just reminded me that it was never about the people, but about her and what she could get. To express any outrage about Obama getting anything from Michigan just proves that selfish, greedy motivations never get anywhere.. also that people are not AFRAID of the power-hungry Clintons anymore! YES! Finally! she is not owed anything by anyone and certainly not ENTITLED!
I now see VOTING and the CONSTITUTION have NO importance in the democratic party! I hope the Republican party has room for me! Mr. McCain, you have MY vote and a lot more 'former' democrats & independents!!!
The Obama team demonstrated an incredible willingness to reach out and work with others. That showed strength. He will be a great president!
It needed to be this way, no matter what. We can't lose these states, especially Florida, we cant sacrafice such a swing state in the General election. We need every state to be McSame. No matter who is the nominee.
This was a GREATEST CIRCUS of the year.
Is this American style of "DEMOCRACY"??????
Wonderfull lecture to all given today by Mr. Harold Ickes about demokracy and party unity I am glad sombody had a guts to tell these morons what they deserve- SHAME ON ALL 30 OF YOU.
See you in November – decision will be made by AMERICAN VOTERS
not by group of hatefull morons.
Finally! But will Hillary work to destroy the parties chances by taking this to the convention? It is obvious this is all about her and nothing else but her. Lets have the superdelegates do their job and finally put an end to the end.
beet McSame, excuse me