May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
14 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."

Filed under: DNC • Michigan
soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. RICH B

    Finally a decision that is fair for all. IF Senator CLinton purpose is to seat the delegates of these states, reguardless of the effect they have on her as a nominee, then this is a fair compromise. But it is my guess that she doesnt care about the votes truthfully, only if they give her a significant edge to steal the nomination.

    May 31, 2008 09:03 pm at 9:03 pm |
  2. Just Plain Tired - St. Louis

    I guess the philandering Kilpatrick isn't the only irrational politician in Michigan. How dare those committe people and clinton supporters clown the way they did. Michigan's officials blatantly disregarded the rules, and somehow Clinton should get delegates and Obama get none? You mean to tell me they sat there and argued that it's not their faults the other candidates removed their names, so they should suffer the consequence? Get out of here! They removed their names because it was understood the votes wouldn't count. Michigan denied 30,000 write-ins! They moved their primary because they were jealous New Hampshire and Iowa got to hold theirs first? Are these people intelligent adults or just arrogant idiots? They screwed thier own voters, but want to uphold the rights of only those who voted for Hillary Clinton. Sounds like some cheating Florida Republican logic to me. Disgraceful is what it is, and Harold Ickes needs Prozac.

    May 31, 2008 09:03 pm at 9:03 pm |
  3. Andrew, NYC

    This is getting bizarre- the Clintons and their supporters are beginning to sound outright delusional.
    This country (minus the racist, uneducated, hillbilly democrats) doesn't want Hillary not because of some conspiracy, but instead because we've had enough of these self-serving, immoral, dishonest Clintons.
    Isn't eight years of doing nothing except pandering to big business and poll numbers enough?
    And do they really need more time in the White House to enrich themselves? Haven't they already pillaged enough?
    The democratic party will last long enough to regret this: that the big wigs in the party stood silently while these Clintons disgraced the primary process; instead of coalescing around a unique leader with seldom-seen potential to unite the country around a relatively progressive, liberal agenda.
    I can't wait to vote against Hillary in her next Senate run-> that's my only consolation.
    And I can't wait until the "Clinton Legacy" is a forgotten stain on fabric of this great country.

    May 31, 2008 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  4. ellianna

    Harold Ickes certainly showed the world what he is all about today!! How dispicable, how disrespectful, how ugly his comments were!! I cannot even repeat them here!!! He can take this all the way to the Credentials Committee and on to Denver for that matter!! The reality is: TODAY, MAY 31, 2008 WAS A HISTORY-MAKING DAY FOR AMERICA!! BARACK OBAMA NOW RULES THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!

    May 31, 2008 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  5. d

    As an Obama supporter I think that under the circumstances this is a very fair solution. Hillary gets more delegates than Obama, which I have no problem with. How can she possibly complain about getting exactly what she had asked for, which is a majority of the delegates?

    May 31, 2008 09:04 pm at 9:04 pm |
  6. Eddie P. rochester ny

    That's O.K.. it will onle make us Hillary supporters more determined to finance her all the way to the convention. Maybe even try to help her run on a third party ticket. Now!!! i wonder what kind of effect this would have on the general election.

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  7. Tim

    Obama -8/12!!!

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  8. Bill

    Finally, we can move on. Michigan did not really have a leg to stand on.
    Florida had a better case than Michigan. I actually thought that Florida might get 100% with Michigan getting 50%. Bottom line though, rules are rules. I am sure that there are many who will still complain. Well, half is better than none.

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  9. matthew in san francisco

    this is all a game and we're all getting played

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  10. Anonymous

    um, didn't clinton agree to not have these states' votes counted way back when? how short is the memory of the average american? two weeks?

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  11. cking

    Obaminator 08 & 12...hahahahahahahahahahahahha!

    May 31, 2008 09:05 pm at 9:05 pm |
  12. 4Real

    With all things being equal, the decision to seat the delegates so that the voices of people in the two states could be heard was fair. Some like Harold Ickes will never be satisfied unless Clinton wins the nomination. I am sure he will not support Obama after all is said and done...oh well.

    I appreciate the RBC's courage today in the face of so much opposition from a particular candidate's supporters.

    May 31, 2008 09:07 pm at 9:07 pm |
  13. Des,Toronto

    I know the DNC had to do something to move on, It's a compromise alright, but I guess we are missing the real impact on kids and honest people, it's ok to cheat and change the rules if you are behind . Hillary clinton is not only untrustworthy but she has lost all credibility in my mind....totally dishonest and zero integrity. Obama will still win fair and square. Superdelegates stand up Now!!

    Obama 08 and 12

    May 31, 2008 09:07 pm at 9:07 pm |
  14. Ian in Seattle, Washington

    Are the Clinton people playing some kind of practical joke? Do they really think it would MORE fair to give Hillary Clinton a whole bunch of delegates from Michigan and give Barack Obama zero delegates because his name wasn't on the ballot in an unsanctioned (essentially illegal) primary?

    I just don't understand the logic or the argument. How does giving Barack Obama zero vote in Michigan reflect the will of the voters?

    May 31, 2008 09:08 pm at 9:08 pm |
  15. Andy

    That's about as fair as it is going to get. The superdelegates need to end this after the SD and MT polls are in.


    May 31, 2008 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  16. Newly Independent for Hillary

    Which half of the voters will be disenfranchized in Florida and Michigan?

    Will they name names?

    Should the people who are disenfranchized be allowed to know it?

    Such an insult to our Constitution.

    May 31, 2008 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  17. Amir, DC

    No one can claim this is a perfect solution. The fact is there cannot be one, instead we're looking for a resolution that meets different interests. Everyone have to come to the middle and accept a compromise.

    There can be a lot of rhetorical speeches about reflecting the votes. I really wish to hear any of those who rejected this decision to tell us how they can come up with another decision that reflects the votes; those who voted uncommitted but wanted to vote Obama, or those who chose to respect the previous decision and decided not to vote, even those who voted Hillary simply because the alternative was to be uncommitted.

    The point is there can never be a true reflection of the votes in this case with such circumstances. And it is at these times that true colours unvailed; those who cannot see beyond their own interests have made their voice clear. It is now up for superdelegates to put an end for this.

    May 31, 2008 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  18. BOLA

    I want to firstly commend the DNC for their hard work in today's deliberation in trying to bring the party together. I believe this is a fair decision however i want people to believe that clinton want to take this to the convention only to allow McCain to win so she can have the chance in 2012. This we must stop as a united party. The belief of the Clinton's is that they have big control over the DNC, well they are wrong , there come a time when people has to do the right thing and the right thing they have done. God bless you all.

    May 31, 2008 09:09 pm at 9:09 pm |
  19. Leslie

    Patently unfair to Obama but it won't matter and it's time to move on and win in November.

    May 31, 2008 09:10 pm at 9:10 pm |
  20. lexel

    DNC's ruling for both Michigan and Florida exemplifies fairness and equality among all voters. I was initially against seating the delegates for not following the rules. However, since they already have a pre-existing rule of 50% delegate seating for those who didn't follow the rules, then I am all for that. Very well done, DNC!

    **To be honest though, I would say I had a funny feeling on my stomach when I saw the list of the DNC committee. It had 13 people supporting Clinton, 8 for Obama and 9 uncommited. It seems to prove that Florida and Michigan was reserved indeed for the "just in case" purposes if the Clintons are actually behind in delegates. Nearly half of the committee supports the Clintons (43%). Thank goodness for the wisdom of the uncommitted delegates. It gives me a flicker of hope for American Democracy.

    P.S. Conducting the heated debate closed doors was initially annoying but was done in good taste. I bet the Republicans were at the corner ready to pounce on the Democratic party's credibility to hold things together specially if a heated debate ensues. What disappoints me though is the final push by the Clinton's representatives by threatening to contest or take it to Denver. It was an evil but effective move for what it's worth specially when they know that most people would just like the process to end so they can concentrate for the general election against McCain. Good try, I suppose!

    May 31, 2008 09:10 pm at 9:10 pm |
  21. kennie

    Its OVER hillary pack it up and go home

    May 31, 2008 09:10 pm at 9:10 pm |
  22. TX4 Hillary

    We're getting closer!
    But let's remember this is the United States of America, not the Divided.

    ALL STATES should be HEARD.
    Not just an amount that will benefit Barack Obama.

    More people have voted for Hillary Clinton in this election than ANY OTHER election. EVER.

    Be Fair.
    Obama DID campaign in Florida. Ran national ads.
    Other states pushed up their primaries. What were their penalties?

    May 31, 2008 09:11 pm at 9:11 pm |
  23. Tom

    this was wrong to do the dedegates should not have been seated

    May 31, 2008 09:12 pm at 9:12 pm |
  24. James

    From 1787 until 1865 certain americans were only deemed worth counting as 3/5 of a person. I want every resident of Florida and MIchigan to remember that the Barack Obama led rules committee has deemed that every democratic voter in that primary is only worth being counted as 1/2 of a person. Hilary Clinton stuck up from you and wanted you to be just a complete an American as every other citizen in this country but Barack Obama does not think that highly of you.

    May 31, 2008 09:12 pm at 9:12 pm |
  25. Theory

    SEE ! The only thing that would have satisfied hillary clinton was giving her everything and Obama NOTHING ! Now she is ready to scorch the earth. We all seen this coming, and what is really bad for her is that members on the committee who supported her voted against her, so there is no bias here the decision was fair. So if she complains at the convention which i hope this never gets to there is no argument for her seeing that Obama and clinton supporters on the committee decided on this issue. From here on end it's Scorched Earth territory.

    May 31, 2008 09:12 pm at 9:12 pm |
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