May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
15 years ago
Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems
WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.
The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.
Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."
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Let's face it people, Clinton lost and she wants injustice to be done against Obama so she can have her way. What kind or type of lessons is Clinton team showing and teaching kids and people about rules and regulation. I guess if the rules fits at first and later doesn't fit, we must appeal. The only camp angry and will split the democrats are the Clinton camp because they are angry and bitter sore losers...
Clinton is a sore loser and doesn't care about the party. She was for the decision to penalize the states when she was ahead and now she wants hold the party hostage if she doesn't get her way by sowing discord and division.
They should have seated all the Florida and Michigan delegates, but with no votes.
They broke the rules – they should be able to participate, but the elections were invalid. This penalizes the people who decided not to vote in the knowingly invalid elections.
I am deeply disturbed by a Clinton supporter Harold Ickes's comments as he indicate to bringing to the Credentials Committee. I do not trust these kind of people. He would not represents us at all. He is for sake of Clinton and nothing else. Certainly he would not working for us, but for his own gain, just like Clinton.
The DNC party should ignore his remarks.
No matter what the true fact is that Clinton did nothing for our New York States. She and her husband conveniently decided to move to our states and acting (pretending) to represents our people. No killing! She and Bill did nothing!
They just made millions and millions from special interest group, just like a Republican, but no thing for us.
SHAME ON YOU CLINTON!
To all concerned Democrats-
A call to healing needs to be made after June 3rd. This resolution today only brings us ever closer to a selection of a nominee. The tough decisions that were both balanced and fair (Though Michigan pledged delegates should be allocated one-half of 73-55 to more appropriately reflect the actual vote on Jan. 15th) were a clear resolution to the problems. The reactions from many observers I saw while watching online at CNN scared me, and made me think how the future of this country is too important for us to go to some floor fight in Denver.
I found out recently my wife (a Senator Hillary Clinton supporter) is pregnant and I am hoping to raise our first child in a post-Bush world with more hope and a greater sense of unity across this country. Either canidate could do this healing although the race being what it is, all true Democrats need to get behind Senator Barrack Obama.
I hope supporters of each candidate will come together to retake the White House. I also hope Senator Obama picks Senator Clinton as his running mate.
Unity
Hillary, many of us who originally supported you and switched, realize you made valid points throughout the election process that should be addressed.
I feel for Hillary, her 'campaign staff' has done more to hurt the democratic party than help her or the country.
It is those campaign leaders that should be taken to task for their strategy and divisive comments throughout the nomination process.
I for one am confident that whatever government position, administration you run or are part of, I'm sure will do a wonderful job.
I couldn't continue my support for you knowing that many of those leaders in your campaign would be seated in your administration. They did more to switch my vote from you than anything else.
Good luck on your future ambitions, but leave those folks behind and let's start fresh with new strategies and new outlooks for how we campaign in America.
This will unfortunately get Hitlery more ammo to make her entitlement case that she should be the nominee instead of Obama. The inevitable is still going to happen and Hitlery will beat both Obama and then McCain. Obama and McCain are both doomed and ill-fated to lose.
I think this is wrong they should not have even met and discussed. Michigan and Florida CHEATED and therefore should not be seated at all and no votes should have counted. I blame Hillary Clinton for this mess!!! Hillary Clinton is like a litle High School Girl when they don't get there way they throw these temper tantrums and blame everyone else but themselves!!! Hillary knows she cannot WIN AT ALL and NEEDS TO DROP OUT NOW!!! Hillary needs to concede tonight or at the latest THIS WEEK!!!! GET OVER IT HILLARY YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T WIN!!! HILLARY IS ONLY HEARTING HERSELF BY STAYING IN!!! It's a fact women will not be president for the next 30 years they can fight all they want but simply there will not be a WOMEN president for at least 30 years!!!!! OBAMA IS THE ONLY CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so... how do they know who voted for Obama?
In november, I'd rather my vote didn't count, rather than hear that my vote went to McCain – or someone else I didn't vote for.
shady...
I feel so sorry for you people who have been jerked around like puppets by Hillary & Bill’s paid spinners. Harold Ickes, conscientious?, truthful?, dedicated to democracy? Look at Hillary’s campaign spending. Harold Ickes will support Hillary to the death… as long as he receives his high six figure paycheck… (and, news flash – he’s being paid by your donations… along with those of Hillary’s wonderful big money supporters).
Hillary doesn’t care one whit about women’s issues…. she doesn’t care about any issues… unless they offer an opportunity to get her votes. Wake up people.
Here’s a little exercise to bring you out of this sustained delusional fantasy you’ve been wallowing in for waaaaay to long:
What do you think Hillary is going to do… for women… if… and when she doesn’t get the nomination.
Do you think she’s going to get out and lead some type of women’s movement here in the states?
Or, more pertinently, do you think she’s going to go to Africa, Asia and/or the middle east, and campaign for equal rights for Muslim women?… Hmmm… think about it… has she even talked very much in this campaign about that issue?
If you feel that the Rules Committee’s decision was both cynical and politically expedient… do you somehow think that Hillary and the men who are her brain trust… (yes, they are almost entirely male… maybe they cross dress… do ya think? including her husband… are somehow immune to that very cynicism and proclivity for political expedience?
If you really care about this country…about the future of this country… instead of just about this cooked up fantasy of a “women’s campaign”… run by men… you’ll get off your crying towels and get with the program… so we can win in November
Nancy,Harry and Howard are you dialing yet?June 4th every superdelgate needs to be on record for who they vote for !!!!!!!!
Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan! How is this fair?
Giving that lunatic Clinton even the slightest bit of encouragement is going to make this thing last until the convention, creating harsher division in the party. Is this what the DNC wants?
Sounds like a reasonale comprimise. Are Clintons not used to comprimising?
Hillary won't be satisfied with anything but an evisceration of Barack Obama and the whole of the Democratic party kissing her feet.
She agreed early on that Michigan and Florida would not be seated – because she was anticipating winning the primary. Now that she isn't, she resorts to manipulating the vote.
The RBC should not have re-examined the issue. It was done and settled and Hillary had agreed to how it was settled. This is just totally disgusting. If the democratic party isn't interested in playing by the rules and fair and square, and if Hillary manages to steal this nomination, I will either not vote or I will vote for John McCain.
Blind ambition is not pretty, Hillary.
She should take it to the Credential Committee although I have lost faith in any of those people by now. I am one disgusted ex democrat. When I think of all the money I sent those fools over the years it makes me nauseous. Never again will they see a penny from me or a vote (which is worth less then a penny to them).
If we don't unite, we will end up with the failed policies of the republican party, I am tired of $4.00 gas, tired of the increase in the cost of living, don't do anything stupid and vote against Obama to proof a point, Hillary and Obama have the same (well very similar) stance on a lot of the issues, McCain doesn't, he has even admitted he knows nothing, NOTHING about the economy, if that who you really want for the presidency in this time of recession?
Ha ha ha ha!! So Clinton wins Florida and Michigan, as Clinton supporters wanted, but still complains about 4 delegates..Even if Obama was given 55 delegates, instead of 59 from Michigan, would that have made a big difference? And, Tubbs Jones, you did get the 19 delegates extra in Florida. Contrary to what you thought...I recall you saying Obama is not generous enough to give you that.
Now lets see if Clinton will come out and support Obama after Tuesday.
And need I remind you all; Obama was not part of the rules committee. He is just going to be the next Presidential Nominee for the Democratic Party.
And, the majority of Michigan Democrats are happy with the decision. So lets move on.
Greedy Hillary and Ickes can form their own party if they are not happy.
Obama for President! 08.
Meck, Vanc
Hilary's reservation of her right to take the DNC's decision to Denver is a clear manifestation of DESPERATION! This shows her real motive for asking that Michigan and Florida's delegates be seated in the first place. It was never about the need for representation of votes, instead it was always about the need to have more delegates and increase her chances of catching up with Barack. Now that she has realized that seating Florida and Michigan's delegates cannot avail her, she is determined to destroy the party, after all she is a FIGHTER!
Bill needs to advise Hilary that it really is OVER! But I guess that he cant do that; after all we all know that his infidelity created a doorway for Hilary's political ambitions and his guilt only makes him her ardent supporter.
While this seems like an equitable compromise I don't believe the committee has the authority the change the delegate allocation rules in the DNC charter, and it is against the basic principle of democracy by ignoring those voters who clearly chose Sen. Clinton.
In spite of all that, I hope this fight doesn't go all the way to the convention, and that the super-delegates will choose a nominee that can actually defeat Sen. McCain in November.
Hillary's advisors said they'd respect whatever way the vote went. I guess this is another case of her flip-flopping. She is so disgusting.
Justice at last. I guess if you were going to count them, this was the best way. Great job DNC. Go Michigan! Go Obama!
Then why have bill & hill continue to make statements that they would abide by “agreement made today by the DNC.”
It was funny watching ICKES implode.... he knows Hillary's last gasp has past .... obama will be the nominee in about 4 or 5 days.... Now onward to November!!!
Obama 08, 12 18,24
I have different vision of American Democratic Party, by watching events today I was shocked that 30 individuals make such undemocratic move what may cost you at the end .
What is wrong by going all the way to Convention????
would be more democratic way than this stupidity " 1 / 2 VOTE ".
This will not unity the party but unfortunately divide it.
Now I understand why there is so many people switching to INDEPENDENTS.
Ickes, you are despicable. please go away. Your time, influence and and voice in politics is over. Please crawl back to where you came from..