May 31st, 2008
07:23 PM ET
12 years ago

Full Michigan delegation with half-vote to be seated by Dems

WASHINGTON (CNN) - The Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws
Committee on Saturday voted to seat all Michigan delegates to its convention, giving each a half-vote and dividing them to give Hillary Clinton a slight edge over Barack Obama.

The 19-8 vote gives 69 pledged delegates to Clinton and 59 to frontrunner Obama - each with half a vote because Michigan was penalized, like Florida, for moving its primary ahead in the campaign season.

Clinton adviser and RBC member Harold Ickes said, "Mrs. Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the Credentials Committee."


Filed under: DNC • Michigan
soundoff (760 Responses)
  1. rhiannonrede

    Let's all just stop this nonsense. Hillary will still be yelling about the popular vote and trying to change the rules of the game 15 mins after Obama is sworn is a president. It's time for the Supers to shut her up once and for all. It's just disgusting.
    Little Rock

    May 31, 2008 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  2. carrie,obama baby

    why should the lying woman get more?
    rules are meant to be broken,huh?
    so why do we have people in jail?they only broke rules,they shldnt be punished.
    anyways,i hope this wraps up the race

    May 31, 2008 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  3. MillionMan

    "There's been a lot of talk about party unity _ let's all come together, and put our arms around each other," said [Clinton Rep. Harold] Ickes, who is also a member of the Rules Committee that approved the deal. "I submit to you ladies and gentlemen, hijacking four delegates ... is not a good way to start down the path of party unity."

    Am I the only one that thinks Clinton taking this to the convention over 4 delegates is INSANE!!!???

    May 31, 2008 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  4. ASHE

    FIRST STEP IN RIGHT DIRECTION

    May 31, 2008 09:19 pm at 9:19 pm |
  5. CAW in MD

    Despite what Clinton might say, without Obama on the ballot in Michigan, this is probably about the best that could be done. The DNC had to enforce a penalty, and 1/2 a vote per delegate is fair. If Clinton is serious about not wanting to destroy the Democratic party, then she should accept this and let it go. I hope she chooses this sensible path.

    May 31, 2008 09:20 pm at 9:20 pm |
  6. Thom Seattle

    Either she bows out after Tuesday or she proceeds to depths some of us have been loath to believe possible. Sen. Clinton's threat deliverd via Mr. Ickes speaks for itself.

    It is time to move on without her.

    May 31, 2008 09:20 pm at 9:20 pm |
  7. change 1

    HAROLD ICKLES JUST SHOWED THE WHOLE WORLD HOW BITTER HE AND THE CLINTONS ARE. USING DESPICABLE LANGUAGE ON NATIONAL T.V WAS A SIGN OF DESPERATION. THE CLINTONS NEED TO GO AWAY. THEY ARE CORRUPT

    May 31, 2008 09:20 pm at 9:20 pm |
  8. big_puppy

    That was the only way to do both campaigns justice because changing rules after starting a race is not fair. Some people claiming not to vote for Obama is like cutting your nose off spiking your face. That hurts do you think when you wake up with a big hole in your face.

    May 31, 2008 09:21 pm at 9:21 pm |
  9. Jim Medard

    Hi,

    We are having some arguements over the Michigan Seating of delegates. Your article did not mention the Leader of the Michigan Democrats as the person who gave the 59/69 delegate solution. Can you varify this person and what they said as a challenge at the DNC meeting on Saturday or where I can find on the web?

    Jim Medard, CA

    May 31, 2008 09:21 pm at 9:21 pm |
  10. Darrell

    Sen. Clinton and Harold Ickes should be happy to get what they did from this committee. I for one do not believe that either state should have gotten anything. They broke the rules and both candidates knew it. Sen. Clinton wants this to be all about her sorry its not about her she knew the rules and for her to continue this endless road is a sham. She does not care about the American People or the Democratic Party. All she wants to do is tear down Sen. Obama so the he loses the election in November. Hillary this is not your time you lost and need to be a bigger person and unite this party. If you do not you run the risk of costing the party the election in November and let me tell you many of us will not support you should that happen and you end up running in 2012. It is not about you Hillary Clinton its about the People of the United States.

    May 31, 2008 09:21 pm at 9:21 pm |
  11. mr. reality

    the true question mr. ickes is are you doing this to better the parties chances to win in november? I feel this will seperate clinton supporters from obama supporters and not let us unit under the democratic party umbrella.

    May 31, 2008 09:22 pm at 9:22 pm |
  12. Cheryl

    Praise needs to be given to Everett Ward who had the courage to call out Harold Ickes posturing for what it was, blatant disrespect for the Democratic Party and grandstanding for a political candidate.
    The DNC is supposed to work in the best interest of the Democrat Party and the Democratic voters.
    For Harold Ickes to call his fellow RBC members AND the Michigan Committee "hijackers" is utterly repulsive!

    I wish the media wouldn't glamorize his disgusting ramblings, but talk more about the Committee members who spoke of the best interests for the Democrat Party and unity.

    May 31, 2008 09:22 pm at 9:22 pm |
  13. Shannon in Galesburg

    Ickes disgusts me. The Democratic party would be much better off without hacks like him.

    May 31, 2008 09:22 pm at 9:22 pm |
  14. Lissa in Montreal

    I applaud the proceedings today, and the people who helped it run smoothly and with dignity. I'd have thrown out the hecklers long before they were told they'd be cleared out, but again, the decorum shown by the co-chairs is exemplary.

    As for Harold Ickes – this is sour grapes. His candidate lost, and he just can't accept it (nor can his candidate). If this is taken all the way to the convention, it would be political suicide for Hillary and the Clinton brand would fade from view forever. She should concede to the nominee who shows promise and promises change, the one who will deliver on his promises and the one who has what it takes to win the White House and the future.

    Well done, all – Mr. Ickes, my suggestion is – as it should be to Mrs. Clinton as well: party above person.

    May 31, 2008 09:22 pm at 9:22 pm |
  15. eli

    I hope we can now unite the party. I'm concern about the anger from the Clinton supporters.

    I just hope that the Clinton supporters who are angry, understand that Obama had a very clean campain, elevating it's level. He was vigorously attacked by the Clinton machine, and he maintained his calm. I was originally for Clinton, but what really made me think about Obama's carachter was when on the April debate he was given the oportunity to attack Clinton on the BOSNIA STORY. Do you remember what he said? That everyone make mistakes. The way Clinton used all the opportunity she had to attack him, tells volumes of their differences.

    Also I believe that if Clinton was in Obama's position today, she would simply say, Even Sen Obama said in NH that MI and FL wouldn't count, and it shouldn't. Therefore we should not count the votes and follow the rules. If Sen Clinton had Obama's numbers she would already have been the nominee.

    Please everyone, lets be fair and balance. DOn't let your frustations and emotions blind you from seeing what a wonderful candidate Obama is. Don't let the emotions make the wrong choice for november. McCain would be a disaster.

    May 31, 2008 09:23 pm at 9:23 pm |
  16. Rich

    Harold Ickes came across like a sore loser. He certainly is not the person the democratic party should want as their flag bearer in light of the declaration that everyone on the committee was only concerned with the good of the democratic party. There is no way on God's green earth that he cared about anything other than Mrs. Clinton. Frankly I wonder if when he looks back he will be ashamed with the way he acted.

    May 31, 2008 09:24 pm at 9:24 pm |
  17. Emma

    the democratic party were the ones who messed up not the people of florida and its a shame that the votes of the people of florida were thrown away like tissue paper. the 30 people on the committee should be ashame of themselves, how would they like it if someone took their voice away.

    May 31, 2008 09:24 pm at 9:24 pm |
  18. Scott

    It seems like a fair conclusion to a mess created by republicans. However I think from the signals coming from Camp Clinton, that Denver will be divisive due to appeals. Hopefully the Catholic Priest was not being prophetic in his comments. Democrats need to remember who the enemy is. The enemy is not fellow Democrats. It is the Republicans. That is how you win a Presidential race as distinct from the Nomination race.

    May 31, 2008 09:24 pm at 9:24 pm |
  19. Dan (TX)

    OK, we done yet? For all the B.S. on making every vote count in the Democratic party, it seems ridiculous since the party has elite superdelegates who are bound by no one and can choose any nominee they desire (no questions asked). Doesn't sound very "democratic" to me. MI & FL voters are merely pawns in the big chess game of presidential politics.

    I wonder whether the 1/2 vote punishment will be severe enough and serve as a warning to other states in the 2012 primary. It'll wreck the party if we have to go through this with more than 2 states in 2012 due to arrogance or "I don't have to follow party rules – I'll just appeal at the end."

    I hope superdelegates will support Obama in sufficent numbers to make MI and FL delegate decision moot. We can only hope so! 🙂

    May 31, 2008 09:24 pm at 9:24 pm |
  20. janis parkinson

    I think Hillary was lucky to get what she got. A revote today would definitely leave her with less delegates than she got. She should be satisfied with it and just let it go.

    May 31, 2008 09:25 pm at 9:25 pm |
  21. Lawrence McKamy

    Mr. Ickes and his patron, Sen. Clinton, are sore losers from any measurable standpoint, and his and her behaviors subsequently to the hearing committee's decision. Mr. Ickes and Sen. Clinton agreed and signed off on the agreement to discipline Michigan and Florida, for violating the rules. Only when Sen. Clinton fell behind in popular vote and delegate count, did they demand to change the decision. Again, Sen. Clinton claims she won the popular vote because all 50 states MUST be recognized and counted. I ask her and Mr. Ickes, "then how can you disenfranchise the caucus states: Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Hawaii and Wyoming who did not cast ballots because they were playing by the pledged delegates playbook and voted by caucus." Are they not part of the Union? Mr. Ickes has proved himself to be a nasty, angry little man, who himself should be disciplined.

    May 31, 2008 09:25 pm at 9:25 pm |
  22. Scotty

    I thought the DNC did the best they could given the fact that Michigan and Florida broke the rules and should NEVER have had ANY delegates seated. The fact that the Clinton campaign is upset and threatening to take this dispute to Denver is the call for the Superdelegates to put an end to this nonsense and give their votes to Obama. After tuesday, all he will need are about 10% of the remaining superdelegates to cross the finish line. To think that Hillary will continue to protest is disgusting and shows she truly does not care about what is best for the USA, but only cares about serving her self-interests. Had she not had the majority of the votes cast in either Michigan or Florida, she would NOT have cared if the voters had their voices heard and the delegates seated. Her false caring is exactly what we DON'T want in our next president. We need someone who follows the rules and understands consequences. Any Hillary supporters out there who are upset about the outcome of today's DNC decision should ask themselves "isn't this a lot better than having NO delegates from Michigan or Florida seated" which is what SHOULD have happened. Be happy with what you've got, it could always be a lot worse.

    OBAMA 2008, 2012

    May 31, 2008 09:26 pm at 9:26 pm |
  23. Paula

    WOW! How generous of them seeing as the election was null and void due to the breaking of the rules. Obama wasn't even on the ticket.. shame on the DNC they have just opened a big fat can of worms!! They should now scrap the rules and the rules committee as they are obviously impotent.

    May 31, 2008 09:26 pm at 9:26 pm |
  24. Marcus Pullum

    Now that this issued is solved in a democratic way let's move to better things ahead. That's always the results of a compromising situation, you win some you lose some. So people dust each other off and come together now .

    May 31, 2008 09:26 pm at 9:26 pm |
  25. Lawrence McKamy

    Mr. Ickes and his patron, Sen. Clinton, are sore losers from any measurable standpoint, and his and her behaviors subsequent to the hearing committee's decision is shameful. Mr. Ickes and Sen. Clinton agreed and signed off on the agreement to discipline Michigan and Florida, for violating the rules. Only when Sen. Clinton fell behind in popular vote and delegate count, did they demand to change the decision. Again, Sen. Clinton claims she won the popular vote because all 50 states MUST be recognized and counted. I ask her and Mr. Ickes, "then how can you disenfranchise the caucus states: Alaska, American Samoa, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Dakota, Nebraska, Washington, Hawaii and Wyoming who did not cast ballots because they were playing by the pledged delegates playbook and voted by caucus." Are they not part of the Union? Mr. Ickes has proved himself to be a nasty, angry little man, who himself should be disciplined.

    May 31, 2008 09:26 pm at 9:26 pm |
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