Some in Clinton circle 'outraged'
[cnn-photo-caption image= [cnn-photo-caption image= http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/08/23/art.clintonsupp.ap.jpg caption="Some in Clinton's inner-circle are outraged."](CNN) - Even as Hillary Clinton praised the newly-minted Democratic presidential ticket Saturday, some in her circle are furious Barack Obama did not appear to give the New York Democrat serious consideration for the No. 2 spot, or even ask for her consultation on the matter.
"Set aside that Obama said she'd be on anybody's short list, set aside anybody's feelings on whether she was deliberately snubbed and the pros and cons of whether it should be her," a former Clinton strategist told CNN's Candy Crowley. "Focus on the politics of it and you have about a quarter of Clinton loyalists still not joining the caravan…for God's sake, not to even make a show of taking her seriously is flatly stupid."
A top Clinton advisor also told CNN they were "outraged," over how the process was conducted.
"You can't put [Obama VP vetters] Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy on an hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it just for the optics," this person said. "Barack never even said to her, 'Here's how I envision the job'– not one discussion with her about [the position]."
"They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now," this person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have thought they might at least make a show of it."
Former Clinton strategist Paul Begala echoed similar frustrations on CNN Friday night.
"I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who are going to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, man You said you were going to put her on the short list. You know, you didn't even vet her. You didn't call her. You didn't seek her advice,'" Begala said. "By the way, he didn't seek President Clinton's advice either. He's actually the guy who I think picked the best vice president in American history. You would think maybe you would sort of check in with him."
Meanwhile, two sources familiar with Obama's VP search tell CNN's Roland Martin Clinton was very much under consideration, and it's wrong for anyone to suggest that she wasn't.
One of the sources noted the Clintons have lived a very public life, and it's inconceivable for anyone to think that there really is more that needs to be learned from them by requesting additional paperwork, citing the release of documents by her during the primary season.
The other source said both Holder and Kenndey are very familiar with Sen. Clinton and that there was substantive and lengthy conversations among the Obama team with regards to Clinton as vice president.
I am outraged there wasn't more consideration for Senator Clinton. I supported her in the primaries, was a delagate for her at my county convention and argued fervently for her any chance I got. I understand that the VP choice is the Presidential nominee's, but let's get real, this primary was close, infact, you might say almost a tie and to snub Clinton and not even make the facade that you vetted her or asked for her input is to make those 18 million votes seem unimportant. For him to keep believing eventually the Clinton supporters will jump on the bandwagon without him actually trying to bridge that gap himself and make an effort is careless and way overconfident. I will not vote for McCain but Obama will be lucky if I even think of convincing anyone to vote for him until he recognizes the importance of Senator Clinton's historic candicacy and her 18 million voters.
I cannnot believe the hubris of the hillary supportersr. She LOST! Move on.
So what? The PUMAs already weren't gonna vote for him. Now they're really, really not gonna vote for him? Who cares? Why give them any consideration whatsoever when all they've done is insist they're staying home or voting McCain anyway? Obama will win with or without them.
I will be voting for McCain.
Obama has not earned my vote, and I will not simply give it to him because we are fellow Dems. Inexperience and constants flip-flopping - to say nothing of outright insulting Clinton - does not earn votes, only anger.
Obama is arrogantly misjudging the resentment he has caused.
I cannot stand Obama, this is a slap in the face to her supporters, Hillary, Bill and everyone else that wanted to unite the party. I just purchased my ticket to Denver to protest the nomination. I hope that Hillary's delegates make the convention a living nightmare for Obama and his team. He does not care about the American people all he cared about is himself. Obamee is his name, it's all about him. I'm so glad that most of the bloggers are upset with this choice.
Osama/Bidenladen 08 will not win in November!!! I can't wait until he lose . I don't like Mccain either, so I'm voting for Cynthia McKinney!!
We all need to come together and vote whats best for America and you know its to vote domocrat.
Obama for the heaking of our great nation.
No to more of Bush....No to McCain!!!!!!
I am sorry to say it but the reaction of Clinton's supporters and some people here seriously reminds me behavior of a 13 year-old teenager who was not allowed to go for a party – pouting and tantrums.
Grow up people, grow up. The World is laughing.
It's time to get over the primaries. Obama has made a wise choice in Biden. This does not diminish others who were considered, it is simply his choice. To re-vet Hillary Clinton was not necessary. She has been vetted for years and has stood up well to close examination. Choosing Joe Biden does not mean that that Hillary is not respected. If you support the values of the democratic party you will do as Hillary does and support this amazing ticket.
Those people need to get over it and move one. Who in there right mind would want Hillary and all that baggage she has around her neck.
Here is the problem with picking Hillary as a Vp
She's a a good considiration,but we all know,she wanted to be president,and even after she lost ,she still wants to be president,when she was campaigning for Obama,she still wanted to be president.
Imaging the convention with a Obama hillary ticket,on one side,The obama supporters,in the middle the usual democrats,but there in the corner is the small Die hard Hillary fans,that believe she has to be president.I mean i'll be civil war there,the Obama supporters saying"Get over it she lost",then the hillary supporters screaming"she won,i mean she's hillary clinton"then the poor people caught in the middle Saying"can't we all just get along,And the fat old republicans and John bush maccain still doesn't know how many houses they own.
Joe biden not only beats maccain in expirience by 10 years,he covers all of obama's weaknesses,and adds many vital qualities.The man is a Foreign policy powehouse.
Obama is the new guy,that has a plan
Obama is change
Obama is the future
Obama is the next president
Not hillary
Not maccain{by that I mean a Clone of Bush that was created by Bush himself and his pack of oil rich fat guys]
OBAMA 08
for those dumb people who believe republicans like bush is the kind of people we need,i'll spell it out for You
O-B-A-M-A 0-8
P-R-E-S-I-D-E-N-T O-B-A-M-A
ps:i'm 16 years old,and yes i do understand politics
Disagree with me,well bring it on
HRC doesn't have 18 million voters anymore. This isn't the primaries, this is the real thing. Most of the 18 million are in Obama's camp now. Also Obama got more than 18 million votes and the majority of those people didn't want HRC either.
Hillary will have a pretty prominent position in Obama's cabinet.
How do we know if Obama called her or not?
What if Clinton told him early on she wasn't interested in being VP?
We have no idea what's happening behind closed doors or over private phone lines. I think it's wrong for CNN to get involved in this kind of speculation.
@ Stephan- I wouldn't put much stock in the 18 million vote number people are throwing around. Long after McCain wrapped up the Republican nomination, there were still open primaries going on for the Democrats. So it is a little hard to imagine that the same 18 million who voted for her during the primaries would vote the same in November. The fact that she is getting called up for nomination is the reason why she is not going to be the VP. Instead of dropping it like the other candidates, she had to get herself in, front and center. Oh, and by the way, Hillary supported the plan to neglect Florida and Michigan until it was no longer convenient for her as well. Leaving the presidential box blank is neglecting your responsibility to have your values and stances on issues represented as a citizen. If you don't vote for the one who is closest to Hillary on these issues, you will have absolutely no right to complain if he loses and more of our brave men and women are killed, our economy hits rock bottom, and gas becomes so expensive that you have to sacrifice your first born child just to get it.
Good lord – what are you people smoking? You'd rather have the Republicans win the election than the Democrats – out of spite? Take a step back and look at the bigger picture!
Hillary is not the nominee. Suck it up, and move on. This isn't about Obama vs. Hillary any more – it's about where you want this country to go.
Here is a link to the referred article
http://obamacrimes.com/
Obama is just plain delusional or maybe stupid ?
For the first time in my life as a Democrat (34 years of voting)
I will vote REPUBLICAN for President and Democrat for everything
else.
I am shocked. OBAMA is going to distry this party.
McCain 08.
Anyone who is in the "I will never vote for Obama because my girl Hilliary didn't get it" needs to let go of their anger that a white woman didn't get the nomination and look at the bigger picture.
What scares me more is that people wanted a woman so desperately to win they don't care who it was or even which party she was for, they would jeopardize their principles and party standing to help elect Exxon John just for the glimmer of hope she can get elected in 2012. Add to that Clinton is dragging this out even further by making sure they acknolwedge her at the convention is almost proof positive that not matter what comes out of her mouth this action clearly states "We'll show em in 2012 girls!"
That is the saddest thing I've heard in a long time...
Lets SIMPLIFY this, IF Obambi is the official nominee of the Dems after their convention next week in Denver, this is the BIGGEST LOSS for the Democratic Party, another McGovern scenario. The Dems are TOTALLY INSANE!
DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN HOPING TO GET A DIFFERENT RESULT!!
For 40 FREAKING YEARS, Dems occupy the Whitehouse ONLY three times, twice with Bill Clinton and one with Carter.
The Democratic Party STILL REFUSE to admit the UNIVERSE governance is CONSERVATIVE, there are MORE JACKSONIANS in this country than ACADEMIANS.
These so-called Clinton supporters are so ridiculus.
With all the things she said about Obama during the Dem's primary the McCain campaign would have had material for every day up to election.
Read theHoward Fineman article in Newsweek that says she did not want or expect to be VP because Bill would not let his financial records be vetted.
In any event she had been thoroughly vetted by the Obama campaign in the primary.
Stop whining and being so bitter-PUMAS -if that's who you really are.
Maybe McCain should consider Hillary as his VP choice.
Biden is a fair choice to cover Obama's weaknesses. Still don't know if it is prudent to vote for him due to his inexperience. This decision will affect the future of our country and possibly our very lives. Folks, we need to elect a leader not a prom king. Think carefully !!!!
I will vote third party. Neither Obama or McCain are addressing the issues. The council on foreign relations is in charge of the country yet the majority have no clue what they are. They are neocons who will push the war machine until this economy is tanked. And in the end other countries will own us. Look what is happening.
Everyone should be with a third party candidate to show the two big parties that we are NOT thrilled with what is happening.
Cmon how is Obama gonna bring in someone that just threw him under the bus a few short months ago! The republicans would have a field day with that one. Cmon ladies wake up!
OMG!!!!!! This is ridiculous...it is not possible that there are 18 million Americans that are as crazy and foolish as the few Clinton freaks that will not be happy no matter what anyone does ever. They are mad and vindictive and clearly not thinking about anything other than payback. Someone should tell then that they are only hurting themselves...no one cares...so shut up!