Some in Clinton circle 'outraged'
[cnn-photo-caption image= [cnn-photo-caption image= http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/08/23/art.clintonsupp.ap.jpg caption="Some in Clinton's inner-circle are outraged."](CNN) - Even as Hillary Clinton praised the newly-minted Democratic presidential ticket Saturday, some in her circle are furious Barack Obama did not appear to give the New York Democrat serious consideration for the No. 2 spot, or even ask for her consultation on the matter.
"Set aside that Obama said she'd be on anybody's short list, set aside anybody's feelings on whether she was deliberately snubbed and the pros and cons of whether it should be her," a former Clinton strategist told CNN's Candy Crowley. "Focus on the politics of it and you have about a quarter of Clinton loyalists still not joining the caravan…for God's sake, not to even make a show of taking her seriously is flatly stupid."
A top Clinton advisor also told CNN they were "outraged," over how the process was conducted.
"You can't put [Obama VP vetters] Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy on an hour plane ride to Chappaqua just to check the box? They should have done it just for the optics," this person said. "Barack never even said to her, 'Here's how I envision the job'– not one discussion with her about [the position]."
"They thought her supporters were mad before? They are really mad now," this person also said. We knew it was never going to happen but you would have thought they might at least make a show of it."
Former Clinton strategist Paul Begala echoed similar frustrations on CNN Friday night.
"I think there are a lot of Hillary voters who are going to say, 'Hey, wait a minute, man You said you were going to put her on the short list. You know, you didn't even vet her. You didn't call her. You didn't seek her advice,'" Begala said. "By the way, he didn't seek President Clinton's advice either. He's actually the guy who I think picked the best vice president in American history. You would think maybe you would sort of check in with him."
Meanwhile, two sources familiar with Obama's VP search tell CNN's Roland Martin Clinton was very much under consideration, and it's wrong for anyone to suggest that she wasn't.
One of the sources noted the Clintons have lived a very public life, and it's inconceivable for anyone to think that there really is more that needs to be learned from them by requesting additional paperwork, citing the release of documents by her during the primary season.
The other source said both Holder and Kenndey are very familiar with Sen. Clinton and that there was substantive and lengthy conversations among the Obama team with regards to Clinton as vice president.
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Hillary Clinotn did everything she could to discredit Obama during the campaign including "I don't think he's a muslim as far as I know" and the white working people's comment. She didn't deserve any more than what she got because she was a sore loser and so are SOME of her rabid followers. I guess some people don't remember all the unsavory acts she committed the last time she occupied the White House. She is completeing lacking in integrity and unfuit to be president of anything.
Stephan B – I think some of the ill will started when Hillary's IA Campaign co-chair was forced to resign for spreading the phony Obama Muslim email...or when her NH co-chair was forced to resign when he started to talk about Obama's using drugs in high-school....or when Ferraro was reprimanded by accusing Obama of being "sexist" (one of the more hilarious accusations). Here's the deal – Hillary ran one of the most negative, fear based primary campaigns on the Dem side, in recent memory. Its almost like a Greek tradgedy – when the powerful, old-guard establishment gets challenged by a young, inclusive movement, the establishment lashes out as Hillary's camp did. The problem is, they supposedly had the top Dem political operatives in the country, yet couldn't punch their way out of a paper box – they got hammered at the most basic of primary campaigning – things like not preparing for the caucuses, running a campaign based on entitlement....those are the things that cost her the nomination. She is owed NOTHING.
This is exactly why the Republicans have so effectively and so completely commanded the government in this country for so long. They too are a fractious group with multiple agendas, but have the better common sense to realize they stand a better chance of coming closer to their goals by solidly aligning behind the Republican candidates. Democrats are too foolish to realize that, regardless of your differences with the nominated Democratic candidates, they would be far better off supporting them than not voting or by voting for the Republican. They don't register "non-votes" or "protest votes", so no one ever know your petty motivations. They will only know we have another Republican in power. One who will stock the Supreme Court over the next four years with the likes of Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. When your basic civil liberties are overturned by the new court and the executive branch is given carte blanche to spy on all of us and dictate our private lives, I hope you "protest" voters will be sitting happily and smugly at home knowing you "got" Obama for daring to be a politician and for daring to out-campaign Hillary. I was a Hillary supporter and voted for her in my primary, but I'm ashamed and disgusted by you PUMA pretenders.
Wake up Hillary supporters, it wasn't Obama that sealed her fate of not being asked to be VP. It was Bill Clinton's utter refusal to have his finances vetted, especially his payments for speaches in the last few years, and more importantly his "secret contributors" to his Presidential library.
Do your homework and stop whining, Hillary didn't ask for the nomination when she met with him at Diane Feinstein's home, telling him Bill would never agree to be vetted.
Bill Clinton, through his racist words, his arrogance, and his refusal to divulge his secret funding sources, took the nomination from Hillary. NOT Barrack Obama.
If you don't believe this just wait – it will all come out in the media after the election. Sorry, but those are the facts.
well, that did it. i will not vote in the presidential election this time. i refuse to support either one. as an independent, i have leaned hillary and obamas direction, but this move from obama finished that. It will be an interesting election. As an educated white woman, i refuse to be a part of this. McCain will win and the country will continue to go nowhere.
Why should Obama have to permission from a former first lady concerning who he chooses as his running mate? Sour grapes.
Biden didn't want to see Obama get the nomination in the first place...
Neither did I.
By Biden accepting the spot on the ticket, he betrayed what he said initially. Obama is certainly too inexperienced and should he be elected this inexperience will show. His empty rhetoric from the beginning turned me away from supporting him. Hopefully everyone else will see that he is willing to say whatever people want to hear, but he truly has no clue what he's doing.
I hope we don't end up with the Democratic version of GWB as President. God help us all if he gets elected.
As CM said: "Hillary will have a pretty prominent position in Obama's cabinet."
I agree. Health and Human Services, I suspect. And I think that will put her in a position to better champion her causes than being VP would.
I didn't expect Obama to name Hillary as his VP, but to not even consider her is a bad move.
Whatever happens now, the Dem Convention is going to make good TV, wake up and smell the chaos people!
I am outraged as to how the Obama Camp informed people of their choice for VP. A text message...Come on people. Is that how he is going to conduct politics. That sounds like teenagers having conversations. Hillary Clinton had the support of over 18 million voters. Their votes were shunned by the whole election process. Americans have no say so in who is elected to office. If everyones votes in Michigan and Florida Hillary would be choosing her VP this weekend. Its a sad state of affiars to say the least.
As a 61 year old woman, I am so glad Clinton is not on the ticket. Enough with those two. If her suporters are so closed minded that they would let McCain become our next president, they get what they deserve. Four more years of the same old thing.
I met Biden on the train to DC a couple of times, he is as arrogant as Obama the Logo President candidate.
All my friends who were voting for Obama have jumped ship to McCain.
"While I attempt to teach my children about trying to do their best in an honest and sportsman-like manner, and to be a gracious loser, all they see and hear are the supporters of Senator Clinton ranting like the spoiled children I tell my kids to ignore and pity on the playground. "
Honest sportsman like manner? gracious losers? In politics?? Let's be honest with our kids and let them know that these people all self self serving – no matter what party. What I would tell my kids is that politicians are like the playground bully – no self-worth and usually some dark side that makes them the disturbed sociopaths they truly are. And let's not be naive saying "remember the good old days" – check history, you could probably count on one had the number of honest politicians we've ever had.
I do commend your effort to explain this nonsense to your children – it's a tough job!
I thought she's putting her name into contention for the Democratic Nomination for President of the United States? Why then should the very same "supporters" who pushed for her nomination at the Denver convention be outraged at Obama not picking her to be his Vice President?
Your logic is as childish as your outrage throughout this campaign.
Dear Hillary supporters,
All of you who now say you'll vote for McCain are insane. Hillary's positions and Obama's positions are within 3% of each other. McCain is miles away from your political beliefs. Now, if you go ahead and support McCain just because you're upset about Hillary's loss, you're dooming the country to more of the same bad policies we've had for the past 8 years. If you don't mind that being on your conscience, then there's no hope for you.
This is one democrat who will be voting for John McCain. I encourage all Hillary supporters to cast their vote for McCain. To Hell with Obama and Biden, PUMA....
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Not to mention the fact that Biden only received 5,000 votes and Clinton 18 million. So who out IS LISTENING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? Surely not the Democratic Party. Wake up America and stop letting the DNC and the media brainwash you, Obama is still only the presumptive nominee. If Obama and Biden are officially nominated and further elected, next year this time, Obama supporters will be kicking themselves.
If u are aHillary supporter and u real mad, so don't vote for Obama/Biden and Hillary&Bill will be paying ur bills for u for 4 more years of McBush. Do u think Hillary will remember u ? All he will call u to thank u for not voting for Obama? Thinkkkkkkkk and grow up if u are a real Dem!
IM SO HAPPY WE GOINT TO HAVE A HILLARY AS A PRESIDENT ON 2012!!!!
I WILL PUT ALL OF MYSELF TO PUSHHHHH HARD FOR
MACCEIN PRESIDENTTT!!!!!!!!
I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER HILLARY!!!!!!!!
CNN - Enough already. We don't care what Hillary thinks or her supporters. Hillary ran a campaign that was a disaster and is currently 25 million in debt. I would not let her run a dog show.
Awwwwwwwwwww, poooooooooooooooooooor baaaaaaaaaaaaaby!
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Why don't all you sniveling prudish and arrogant women crying over your Hillary realize that she and her hubby Billybob ruined any chance she ever had of being POTUS or VP during the campaign. They both proved themselves to be like little kids who would take their ball and go home. Now why don't all of you just go home?
McCain in '08 will be a no brainer!
If Dems lose this election based on the PUMAs work to destroy the party, you can bet the farm that Hillary will NEVER be President. Not in 2012, 2016 or any year. Your idol Hillary will be exiled and marginalized forever. The *real* Dems who are working to unite the party will never in a million years back Hillary after these stunts. Guaranteed. Another qualified woman nominee? Yes. Hillary and her PUMA losers? Not.
This from someone who used to like the Clintons.
Big Deal...If she ever wins the nomination she can select her own running mate. She has no say with Obama.
There is no evidence that Hillary herself is anything like outraged, and in fact is probably relieved that she was not asked to serve at a position where historically the primary task has been to play golf and welcome minor dignitaries. The VP slot would have been a terrible and tedious waste of Hillary's talents.
On the other side, nobody would want a running mate who was $30 million in campaign debt, and who would more energize the opposition than her relatively few remaining supporters who have not already switched to Barack.
This is a lot more about a few hardcore Hillary supporters being carved out of the political process because they backed the wrong horse, than about Hillary who herself seems very pleased at Barack's choice.
If Obama loses in 2008, it will now be blamed on Hillary and she won't have a chance for President. Ever.
Not only that, but if you want to see Hillary Clinton able to implement any change in the senate, it will NEVER HAPPEN with a McCain presidency. Do you care about her policies? Do you care about the changes she wants to make? If you do, you'll support the Obama/Biden ticket as I do. If you'd rather have 4 more years of what we've had for the last 8, then why would you vote for Clinton in the first place?