October 2nd, 2008
09:50 PM ET
14 years ago

Martin: Raise the bar for Palin and Biden

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(CNN)–Expectations are high for Palin AND Biden. Many of you read my commentary this week on CNN.com and I haven’t changed my opinion.

I’m tired of Washington journalists continuing to say that the expectations are low, and the bar even lower, for Gov. Sarah Palin.

And the same goes for Sen. Joe Biden.

One of these two will be Vice President of the United States. How in the world do we tell our children every day to have high expectations in the classroom, but we should expect the vice president candidates to not raise their game? Nonsense.

It’s time for Biden and Palin to show America what they are really made of.

Bring it on!

JUMP IN ON THE CONVERSATION WITH ROLAND MARTIN

soundoff (954 Responses)
  1. Martin

    Biden won, and we all knew he would. come on

    October 2, 2008 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm |
  2. Royce

    I agree that Palin's remark about Biden's wife was just a little insensitive. On all the main issues, in the first part of the debate, her answer went back to energy. War in Iraq? Energy. House bailout? Energy. What's today's date? Energy. Honestly, I get that that's her strong point but she seemed to have no clue on how to answer questions that involved her going outside of the script that she was given by McCain's advisors. I don't see how McCain could have picked her for VP. It makes no sense. I wouldn't trust her to run this country at all. She's barely running Alaska.

    October 2, 2008 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm |
  3. Virginia

    Roland hit the nail on the head today. Republicans had low expectations for Palin and she lived up to them!!!

    October 2, 2008 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm |
  4. wasabemon

    I agree that "Maverick" term as been thrown around too loosely during this campaign....

    McCain/Palin need to really define how being "mavericks" are going to benefit us all domestically and internationally..

    October 2, 2008 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm |
  5. Adi

    Sarah Palin was not her ridiculous self tonight and did much better than she has with her interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric but Joe Biden, stuck straight to the facts and knew what he was talking about. That is what impressed me the most. I will definitely be voting for Obama/Biden. Sarah Palin, has a lot more to experience and learn before she can take on the White House. Alaska? Maybe. White House? No.

    October 2, 2008 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm |
  6. Armond

    Biden rocked Palin's world. Palin was constantly ducking & dodging the moderator's questions. That shows how competent she is and how well she will handle the role of VP. BIDEN ALL THE WAY!

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  7. College Student from MD

    Biden has destroyed her on every issue. How can anyone try to spin this her way?

    She doesn't sound as dumb as I thought she was, but she still has no grasp on the issues. She has mastered the Art of Dodging questions.

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  8. David

    The notion that the VP could run this country at moment's notice makes this debate very important.

    The idea that Palin could be president is downright SCARY

    Biden absolutely won the debate

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  9. kris

    Palin did not have the facts, she only knows alaska not the USA

    But hey she is cute and did a good job today .

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  10. Francie - SC

    Great debate, and I thought Sarah Palin did a fantastic job! I had
    expected Joe Biden to win, having been in government for all these years, but it was Gov. Palin who "took the day."

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  11. sj

    How important is this election?

    I had middle schoolers at a football game wishing the game would hurry up and end so they could get home in time to watch the debate.

    Let's see who the future generation of voters would vote for.

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  12. Jeremy

    Can somebody define why McCain likes to be called a maverick? Isn't that what we've had for the last 8 years? Palin called herself a maverick. That is the last thing this country needs right now.

    October 2, 2008 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm |
  13. mary rouse

    What this country does not need is another "folksy" talkin' leader. It should be a requirement of anyone pursuing the highest offices in the country to correctly pronounce the word "nuclear."

    October 2, 2008 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
  14. David

    I'm tired of hearing that Palin held her own, because she somehow endeared herself to Americans once again-is this a beauty pageant?? In a presidential debate she just doesn't add up. She looked like she was running for Student Council.

    October 2, 2008 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
  15. deb in az

    she won this one hands down........she called him on things that barrack obama stated during the debates.....she is more qualified to be the president than barrack obama for sure!!!!!!!

    October 2, 2008 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
  16. Chelly

    Roland,

    I did not understand Palin's answer to anything. She did answers any of the questions. She went on and on about her qualifications a s mayor and as Governor all night without any answer.

    October 2, 2008 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm |
  17. angela

    I am curious Sarah Palin kept saying Joe Biden kept referring to the past . How many times did he refer to the past and how many times did she ?

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  18. Aa Viewer

    Joe Biden won! She was a disaster, She managed to go thru the debate without straight answers and only repeating the talking points she has been rehearsing.

    She is not ready to be 2nd in command.

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  19. Charmin

    Yes! Biden won! I knew he would do better than Palin. I only wish they didn't let her get away with avoiding the questions she couldn't answer. Palin did better than expected, but I am not impressed. Let's not mistake "better" for "good".

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  20. Stephen

    I would invest in a bridge to nowhere if Senator Biden were selling it. He proved smart, competent, and knew very well the subject matter asked of him. Obama made a fantastic choice for his running mate. He did a great job, a clear A.

    Governor Palin looked like she memorized a few dozen talking points very well, she did not master them and didn't know when or how to use them. She's not ready for this. I would give her a B-, considering where she stood Thursday morning, for avoiding really incoherent moments, though I don't think she's made a case to independents to stem the general sway toward Sen. Obama.

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  21. LB-NJ

    Truth and sincerity was what we saw from Gov Palin. Biden was a robot. She got a lot of votes

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  22. John

    Neither... It was a weak and boring. All three (iincluding Gwen) stumbled over their words and had a hard time just simply speaking at times. Biden was strong & confident but but didn't know how to handle Palin at first. With all of his experience he should have won hands down. Palin was down home American and sorta cute (tried too hard) but made a number of mistakes (including not knowing the correct name of the general in Afghanistan). Biden let her go instead of going for the kill and Palin sounded very coached. All in all, in my average Joe six-pack opinion, I'm really tired of politics and media in this country. Listening to the commentary on the debates one has to wonder what debate were they watching. I'm sitting here at a watch party with women and men flipping between NBC and ABC and gotta tell you, there are a lot of smart people say a lot of stupid stuff tonight trying to expalin why one was stronger than the other. Sad thing is we have to vote for someone...all things considered, and based on the two debates, I'm a Republican that would rather see Obama/Biden in teh White House then McCain/Palin. Maybe the next two debates will bring me back home. Just can't see it. Plus when you check the facts... Give me the John McCain of 1999!!!

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  23. CAROLYN

    sarah palin, will be 100 times worse than cheney, they think alike how to be vp but have more power than the president. she stayed with her stump speech and never answered a direct question, and why are her children never in school? since alaska has the lowest rate of drop outs, child iq levels?

    October 2, 2008 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm |
  24. tickerroland

    The spin room for both camp is busy, busy, busy!

    Here is what the McCain is sending out:

    "Joe Biden graduated from his trademark verbal gaffe to outright lie in tonight’s debate. Each time Senator Biden was on his heels, he looked directly into the camera and lied - more than a dozen times by our count. He lied about John McCain's record, his own record, and Barak Obama's dangerous policies. Governor Palin showed the American people tonight why a McCain-Palin Administration will bring real reform, leadership, and straight talk to Washington.” –Tucker Bounds, spokesman McCain-Palin 2008

    JOE BIDEN’S 14 LIES TONIGHT

    1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.

    2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.

    3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”

    4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.

    5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.

    6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.

    7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people's health insurance coverage - they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false

    8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska - she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it's not a windfall profits tax.

    9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO's International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.

    10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation - he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.

    11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.

    12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.

    13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”

    14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won't pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.

    October 2, 2008 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm |
  25. CarolO MI

    Gov Palin did better than what I expected but she kept losing me at times and seemed to be answering questions not answered.
    Joe could have tore her up but remained a gentleman.

    October 2, 2008 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm |
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