Wow, a UN Resolution???! Did you feel it necessary to jump immediately to the Triple-Dog Dare?
This is like the old saw on British police... "Halt! Halt, I say! Or I shall be forced to cry 'Halt!' again!"
April 13, 2009 04:42 pm at 4:42 pm |
hab
let the Obama addiministration work on the isue. let us give him time. how do you recomend when we are at two wars, the third one. let us give break to our young braves.
April 13, 2009 04:44 pm at 4:44 pm |
Mike from Shelburne, VT
Yes, lets get into even more international tension with North Korea and China by threatening to blow up whatever we please. That's worked so well with the past two wars that lost us thousands of soldiers, not to mention the atrocities and civilian casualties. Lets spread our troops even more thinly, send them to war zones even longer and make them fight yet another war we aren't prepared for. Isn't this part of the reason why we got rid of Bush, so we wouldn't have another war of run in guns blazing and hope that we somehow "win"? Come on...if you give up and resort to force so easily, lets just start World War Three now and get it over with so we can all live happily ever after in nuclear fallout. Threats on a country like North Korea are pointless unless you mean to back them up because you know they'll call your bluff, and if your serious, you better be ready to accept the repercussions.
Oh, and "Obama can barely handle....", four Somalis in a rowboat are the presidents fault why exactly, when he signed orders allowing force to be used? Its the navy who were in charge of that operation, and they pulled off an amazing success...everything that's wrong in the world doesn't come back to Obama. Try getting off your couch and turning off fox news every once in while.
April 13, 2009 04:47 pm at 4:47 pm |
Don in Albuquerque
Thats it. One sentence? Must be less important than Obama's new puppy.
April 13, 2009 04:49 pm at 4:49 pm |
CAW in MD
This is just more of Bush's negligence coming home to roost. For all those folks that are saying a declaration won't do anything - you're right. The time to fix North Korea was back when Clinton put together a deal. Was it a perfect deal? No. But it had the potential to keep the genie in the bottle. Bush let that lapse and then basically ignored the problem. Now the North Koreans are too far down the road - we can't make them turn back. Same with Iran - 2003 they offered to put everything on the table to negotiate, and Bush said screw 'em. Now we're going to have to deal with a nuclear Iran.
And for those of you advocating going to war with North Korea - exactly how do you propose to prosecute that war, with 140,000 troops in Iraq and over 40,000 in Afghanistan?
April 13, 2009 04:51 pm at 4:51 pm |
Brian G, Sugar Land, TX
Ooooo. I'l bet NK is scared now.
April 13, 2009 04:52 pm at 4:52 pm |
Saul- Virginia
To phoenix86 and Rob,
I can understand your pessimism, After all we help creat the UN in the 1940's before we turn our backs to it. The UN has so many branches that are actually very important to American security, global health, children health etc.
We have all learnt by now after the Iraq and Afganistan wars that we cannot exist and take on big challenges in Isolation. We cannot also try to have a monopoly of the UN to our only benefit, which has been the biggest contention at the UN for decade.
For example, around the time the US was pushing for the Iraq war, other countries in the security country were trying to prevent or stop genocide in Darfur, which we failed to support.
This response is actually a big succes since a unanimous response was never possible in the last 5 years. considering how stretch our military is currently thanks to pres. Bush, we cannot do any thing significant against North Korea or Iran without cooperation from other countries.
We can try sanctions but guess what, if china, Russia, Germany, UK, France and other develop nation do not participate the sanctions will be useless. THey will continue normal business with them and our efforts become irrelevant. This in addition affects our economy as well.
You apparently do not understand the dynamics of this, which lead to your ill informed comments. We should all promote collaborations with other ountries in the UN and try to make it more relevant to bring about stability in the world.
When we make the UN succesful we all benefit.
April 13, 2009 04:52 pm at 4:52 pm |
Fed Up
The UN is a corrupt and toothless organization. Their sanctions and condemnations will make no difference.
April 13, 2009 04:53 pm at 4:53 pm |
Dutch/Bad Newz, VA
Cut North Korea off completely from the rest of the world. Sanction them, place embargos on them. Do whatever it takes to isolate them. When the American orchestra went there last year, I honestly thought that was a step towards progress. But Kim Jung ll sure knows how to spoil a party.
April 13, 2009 04:55 pm at 4:55 pm |
Sniffit
Now here's something I think any liberal, neocon, Dem or GOPer should be able to agree on: the UN is a tapdancing joke...a farce...a meaningless body politic with no strength, no authority, no teeth, etc., and it's only purpose for existing is, well, it has no purpose for existing at this point.
April 13, 2009 04:56 pm at 4:56 pm |
Sniffit
Meanwhile, Kim Jong Il just bought even bigger sunglasses...the better to see you with my dears.
April 13, 2009 04:57 pm at 4:57 pm |
phoenix86
Dear Kevin B.
I believe the president you are actually referring to would be Bill Clinton, who traded nuclear technology for "peace in his time".
April 13, 2009 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
Ignorance
Mississippi Mike – we were waiting for that declaration when they tested a nuke bomb while Bush was in office, and the NK basically said if we keep talking crap it'll be an act of war. Remember scared Bush running to China begging for their assistance. It is ok to pick on someone who you know cannot defend themselves like Iraq. NK has the 3rd largest military in the world, plus they have a very close association with China and millions of Chinese people would join their fight.
Sometimes brains is necessary.
April 13, 2009 05:00 pm at 5:00 pm |
Rick
Mike from Shelburne, VT
…everything that's wrong in the world doesn't come back to Obama.
------------------------------–
But when it came to Bush it did? I see the old double standard is still in play.
April 13, 2009 05:01 pm at 5:01 pm |
Chris
Let's build our military back to a respective level, spend stimulus money on providing jobs (as soldiers - not as payouts to teenage hoodlums) because we are being attacked every day by every little nickle & dime country that believes they can get away with it. One day we will need a better military (if not already) and we need to be prepared! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
April 13, 2009 05:04 pm at 5:04 pm |
Chi Town
CAW in MD
Your facts are a bit off. Clinton did a deal where we paid NK to not work on a nuclear program... they used that money to do exactly that... which is why Bush quit giving them the money.
But hey... don't let facts get in your way
April 13, 2009 05:11 pm at 5:11 pm |
Chi Town
Sniffit
Wow... for the first time I can recall I agree with everything you said.
Well done... for a liberal (smiling)
April 13, 2009 05:13 pm at 5:13 pm |
Maggie
At least the UN is not afraid of stepping on NK's toes.
April 13, 2009 05:33 pm at 5:33 pm |
Go Sarah, Go
Fellow Americans wake up! What the UN says is more important to many key global players. We are still dreaming that it is all about America and Americans. The UN represents over 140 countries and America is one of those 140. The dollar is weaker than most currencies; our armies cannot defeat a bunch of uneducated street fighters in Iraq, or track down cave men in Pakistan/Afghanistan. India has more educated people than US. China makes most of our goods. our vehicles are worthless and the world hates us. Respect the Security Council; it is the deal going forward.
April 13, 2009 05:34 pm at 5:34 pm |
Duop in Colorado
The UN Security council is becoming more and more of nothing but a place for morality fight.
April 13, 2009 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
MarcPT
I'm sorry but this is all very underwhelming. A toothless old man of a world reaction.
April 13, 2009 05:38 pm at 5:38 pm |
Independent Voter
It took a week of meetings to come up with this statement? I could have done it in 30 seconds. These people are a joke. My money is on Kim Jong Il firing more rockets. Soon. What does he have to worry about? A staement of condemnation? Sheesh...
April 13, 2009 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
Go Sarah, Go
The UN is exactly what the US made it to be. Look at the use of US veto power with regard to the abolition of apartheid in South African and crackdown on violence in the Middle East. We have a history of undermining UN efforts but we are quick to demand a swift response to things that affect us. YOU need to wake up
April 13, 2009 05:40 pm at 5:40 pm |
Roland
We as American's can no longer think that we are the blessed ones that feel we are the only folk's on this earth that should have missiles and WMB. I believe we have been the only country with WMD's that has actually used them against another country not once but twice and frankly we should be restricted by the U.N. in our possession of these types of weapons we also cannot be trusted with these types of WMD's because history shows that we are the aggressors just take a look at how many military bases we have all over the world we have become Engalnd after all wanting to colonize the world as we see fit.
Wow, a UN Resolution???! Did you feel it necessary to jump immediately to the Triple-Dog Dare?
This is like the old saw on British police... "Halt! Halt, I say! Or I shall be forced to cry 'Halt!' again!"
let the Obama addiministration work on the isue. let us give him time. how do you recomend when we are at two wars, the third one. let us give break to our young braves.
Yes, lets get into even more international tension with North Korea and China by threatening to blow up whatever we please. That's worked so well with the past two wars that lost us thousands of soldiers, not to mention the atrocities and civilian casualties. Lets spread our troops even more thinly, send them to war zones even longer and make them fight yet another war we aren't prepared for. Isn't this part of the reason why we got rid of Bush, so we wouldn't have another war of run in guns blazing and hope that we somehow "win"? Come on...if you give up and resort to force so easily, lets just start World War Three now and get it over with so we can all live happily ever after in nuclear fallout. Threats on a country like North Korea are pointless unless you mean to back them up because you know they'll call your bluff, and if your serious, you better be ready to accept the repercussions.
Oh, and "Obama can barely handle....", four Somalis in a rowboat are the presidents fault why exactly, when he signed orders allowing force to be used? Its the navy who were in charge of that operation, and they pulled off an amazing success...everything that's wrong in the world doesn't come back to Obama. Try getting off your couch and turning off fox news every once in while.
Thats it. One sentence? Must be less important than Obama's new puppy.
This is just more of Bush's negligence coming home to roost. For all those folks that are saying a declaration won't do anything - you're right. The time to fix North Korea was back when Clinton put together a deal. Was it a perfect deal? No. But it had the potential to keep the genie in the bottle. Bush let that lapse and then basically ignored the problem. Now the North Koreans are too far down the road - we can't make them turn back. Same with Iran - 2003 they offered to put everything on the table to negotiate, and Bush said screw 'em. Now we're going to have to deal with a nuclear Iran.
And for those of you advocating going to war with North Korea - exactly how do you propose to prosecute that war, with 140,000 troops in Iraq and over 40,000 in Afghanistan?
Ooooo. I'l bet NK is scared now.
To phoenix86 and Rob,
I can understand your pessimism, After all we help creat the UN in the 1940's before we turn our backs to it. The UN has so many branches that are actually very important to American security, global health, children health etc.
We have all learnt by now after the Iraq and Afganistan wars that we cannot exist and take on big challenges in Isolation. We cannot also try to have a monopoly of the UN to our only benefit, which has been the biggest contention at the UN for decade.
For example, around the time the US was pushing for the Iraq war, other countries in the security country were trying to prevent or stop genocide in Darfur, which we failed to support.
This response is actually a big succes since a unanimous response was never possible in the last 5 years. considering how stretch our military is currently thanks to pres. Bush, we cannot do any thing significant against North Korea or Iran without cooperation from other countries.
We can try sanctions but guess what, if china, Russia, Germany, UK, France and other develop nation do not participate the sanctions will be useless. THey will continue normal business with them and our efforts become irrelevant. This in addition affects our economy as well.
You apparently do not understand the dynamics of this, which lead to your ill informed comments. We should all promote collaborations with other ountries in the UN and try to make it more relevant to bring about stability in the world.
When we make the UN succesful we all benefit.
The UN is a corrupt and toothless organization. Their sanctions and condemnations will make no difference.
Cut North Korea off completely from the rest of the world. Sanction them, place embargos on them. Do whatever it takes to isolate them. When the American orchestra went there last year, I honestly thought that was a step towards progress. But Kim Jung ll sure knows how to spoil a party.
Now here's something I think any liberal, neocon, Dem or GOPer should be able to agree on: the UN is a tapdancing joke...a farce...a meaningless body politic with no strength, no authority, no teeth, etc., and it's only purpose for existing is, well, it has no purpose for existing at this point.
Meanwhile, Kim Jong Il just bought even bigger sunglasses...the better to see you with my dears.
Dear Kevin B.
I believe the president you are actually referring to would be Bill Clinton, who traded nuclear technology for "peace in his time".
Mississippi Mike – we were waiting for that declaration when they tested a nuke bomb while Bush was in office, and the NK basically said if we keep talking crap it'll be an act of war. Remember scared Bush running to China begging for their assistance. It is ok to pick on someone who you know cannot defend themselves like Iraq. NK has the 3rd largest military in the world, plus they have a very close association with China and millions of Chinese people would join their fight.
Sometimes brains is necessary.
Mike from Shelburne, VT
…everything that's wrong in the world doesn't come back to Obama.
------------------------------–
But when it came to Bush it did? I see the old double standard is still in play.
Let's build our military back to a respective level, spend stimulus money on providing jobs (as soldiers - not as payouts to teenage hoodlums) because we are being attacked every day by every little nickle & dime country that believes they can get away with it. One day we will need a better military (if not already) and we need to be prepared! An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
CAW in MD
Your facts are a bit off. Clinton did a deal where we paid NK to not work on a nuclear program... they used that money to do exactly that... which is why Bush quit giving them the money.
But hey... don't let facts get in your way
Sniffit
Wow... for the first time I can recall I agree with everything you said.
Well done... for a liberal (smiling)
At least the UN is not afraid of stepping on NK's toes.
Fellow Americans wake up! What the UN says is more important to many key global players. We are still dreaming that it is all about America and Americans. The UN represents over 140 countries and America is one of those 140. The dollar is weaker than most currencies; our armies cannot defeat a bunch of uneducated street fighters in Iraq, or track down cave men in Pakistan/Afghanistan. India has more educated people than US. China makes most of our goods. our vehicles are worthless and the world hates us. Respect the Security Council; it is the deal going forward.
The UN Security council is becoming more and more of nothing but a place for morality fight.
I'm sorry but this is all very underwhelming. A toothless old man of a world reaction.
It took a week of meetings to come up with this statement? I could have done it in 30 seconds. These people are a joke. My money is on Kim Jong Il firing more rockets. Soon. What does he have to worry about? A staement of condemnation? Sheesh...
The UN is exactly what the US made it to be. Look at the use of US veto power with regard to the abolition of apartheid in South African and crackdown on violence in the Middle East. We have a history of undermining UN efforts but we are quick to demand a swift response to things that affect us. YOU need to wake up
We as American's can no longer think that we are the blessed ones that feel we are the only folk's on this earth that should have missiles and WMB. I believe we have been the only country with WMD's that has actually used them against another country not once but twice and frankly we should be restricted by the U.N. in our possession of these types of weapons we also cannot be trusted with these types of WMD's because history shows that we are the aggressors just take a look at how many military bases we have all over the world we have become Engalnd after all wanting to colonize the world as we see fit.