Biden, Ryan disagree about agreeing
October 23rd, 2012
10:33 AM ET
9 years ago

Biden, Ryan disagree about agreeing

(CNN) – The morning after the final debate between President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, Vice President Joe Biden claimed Monday night's presidential showdown lacked one crucial element: an actual debate.

"It's fair to say that the debate has evaporated," Biden said Tuesday morning. "Back when I was debating Congressman Ryan, there were these massive disagreements on everything about Syria, Libya, Egypt, et cetera. And now, it's like - I don't know - there was a conversion that took place here."

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Rep. Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney's running mate, saw it a different way.

"I think this was a fantastic debate," he said on ABC, adding that viewers heard from Romney some "clear distinctions on how we should go forward in this country."

But Biden, who also made his comments on ABC's "Good Morning America," pointed to the multiple times when Romney said he agreed with Obama in the Florida debate, which focused on foreign policy.

Romney said he concurred with the president that the troop withdrawal from Afghanistan should be complete by 2014 and said the president was right to call for the departure of former Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak. The two also struck similar chords on drone strikes, Syria and the killing of Osama bin Laden.

"I didn't see anything that the governor disagreed on. And he seemed to be desperately trying to demonstrate he agreed with the president's policies," Biden said. "It was sort of amazing."

On a separate morning show, Biden, who chaired on the Senate Foreign Relations committee, said he thought Romney failed to show he could pass the commander-in-chief test, echoing comments the Obama campaign has been pushing in recent days.

"I'm not a pollster and I'm, I'm, I'm out of my depth here, but I would be dumfounded if day two and three and five and six days from now they thought that he had demonstrated a command of international circumstances," he said on NBC's "Today."

On a separate show, Ryan was quick to point out where the two presidential candidates differed–mostly pointing to the likelihood of Iran developing its nuclear program.

"Iran is four years closer to a nuclear weapon," Ryan said on CBS's "This Morning." "The administration fought us on sanctions in Congress on a bipartisan basis for years until we finally got bipartisan support to overwhelm the president's position."

The Wisconsin congressman also pointed to the impending defense cuts, which will trigger in 2013 if Congress fails to reach a deficit-reduction plan by the end of the year. The provision came in a 2011 bill that Ryan voted for in the House.

"This trillion-dollar cut in defense will devastate our defense, make us weak, project weakness abroad, and I think Mitt Romney did a great job of contrasting that," he said.

In the debate, Romney contended that the Pentagon cuts would have devastating effects on the military and would downsize U.S. power. Obama, however, vowed that the military cuts "will not happen" and took a swipe at Romney's argument.

"You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916," Obama said to Romney. "Well, governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets because the nature of our military's changed."

Ryan took issue with Obama's much-talked-about quip on horses and bayonets, saying the president's remark had no place in the argument.

"To compare modern American battleships and Navy with bayonets-I just don't understand that comparison," Ryan said on CBS. "Look, we have to have a strong Navy to keep peace and prosperity and sea lanes open."

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soundoff (11 Responses)
  1. Howard

    In the third debate, Obama came accross as smug, pompous, arrogant, and sarcastic ... Romney came accross as Presidential.
    The numerous failed Obama green energy companies ... which squandered hundreds of millions of hard earned American tax payer dollars ... while making Obama's cronies / contributors rich ... purchased their solar panels from China, resulting in even more American jobs going over seas. Save America ... Romney / Ryan 2012

    October 23, 2012 10:41 am at 10:41 am |
  2. g

    ryan in the wings –no thank you

    October 23, 2012 10:41 am at 10:41 am |
  3. Four and The Door

    "It's fair to say that the debate has evaporated," Biden said Tuesday morning. "Back when I was debating Congressman Ryan, there were these massive disagreements on everything about Syria, Libya, Egypt, et cetera. And now, it's like – I don't know – there was a conversion that took place here."
    Yeah, Mitt Romney talked about foreign and domestic issues and solutions to them while Obama talked about Mitt Romney. Obama showed what a political hack he is and why Washington has become a political circus during his administration. Has it helped the middle class? No. The middle class has taken the brunt of Obama's poor understanding of leadership and his bad decisions with our nation's resources. Mitt Romney will do the work of a nation while Obama does only the work of politics. We need results out of Washington, not political bickering. Romney/ Ryan 2012.

    October 23, 2012 10:47 am at 10:47 am |
  4. tabeth

    Ladies and Gentlemen,

    Romney is trying to play it safe to reach the goal then show his true color,
    Not this time Sir!!!!!!!!

    October 23, 2012 10:50 am at 10:50 am |
  5. Thomas

    How is Lyin Ryan doing in the Polls ?

    I love his speech yesterday , we will not blame others for our candidacy , we will lead , leeders don't blame others , hey lead.

    All Romney and Ryan have done is blame others . When ever Romney or Ryan speaks , I can still smell the failed GW Bush years that linger in the rooms.

    October 23, 2012 10:51 am at 10:51 am |
  6. 4moreyears

    It's sad when both candidates on the same ticket haven't gotten a clue. The fact that they are not on the same page with their foreign policy positions. Romney must not have given Ryan the memo that they agree with the President. If I was Ryan I would give Romney a good cursing out. Ryan may not have a pot to piss in when it comes to politics after this election. I guess he will wright a book. Bahahahahaha

    October 23, 2012 11:08 am at 11:08 am |
  7. maf

    . . . NO, the President did NOT say they aren't using bayonets anymore, he said FEWER bayonets!!!

    Mitt/Ryan, a path to oblivion! Simply out of their depth in so many areas. . . foreign policy, social issues, the economy. . .

    October 23, 2012 11:10 am at 11:10 am |
  8. joe

    big Joe is great Mittens needs a geography lession after his comment at the debate last night that irans port to the sea was syria. Vote all repos out Forward. Ryan is a jerk that should be obvious to everyone by now and he lies as well as his master mittens.

    October 23, 2012 11:11 am at 11:11 am |
  9. Wire Palladin, S. F

    Howard – Since I watched the debate on a different channel, I did not get the same outcome as you did. Romney was his usual uppity self, interrupting the moderator, and showing he has no understanding of foreign policy, the economy, and Americans as well. By the way, did you ever thank Obama for saving your auto related job?

    October 23, 2012 11:32 am at 11:32 am |
  10. Four and The Door

    big Joe is great Mittens needs a geography lession after his comment at the debate last night that irans port to the sea was syria.
    It is since Iran flies over Iraqi airspace. They get to do that because we have no more troops in Iraq.

    October 23, 2012 11:38 am at 11:38 am |
  11. Anonymous

    Wow...whoever said Americans does not have tribes was clearly misguided. This nations is more racially and party polarized than most African nations. I have never felt such hate and ignorance between people like I do right now. It is sad, but the very idea of America will be lost forever if we allow this kind of hate speech and emotionalism get the best of us. A man who was born a millionaire and has lived a life of privilege has a different perspective of life and the world as compared to a man who earns thousands of dollars. And if the Congress and Supreme court are filled with men who make millions, shouldn't the Commander in Chief be a man who makes thousands? Don't you want someone who truly understands your vantage point in the highest office in the land? Is that part of the checks and balances?

    October 23, 2012 11:58 am at 11:58 am |