May 8th, 2013
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The latest on Benghazi hearing

Washington (CNN) – The long-awaited House committee hearing on the Benghazi terror attacks featuring State Department whistle-blowers has started with statements from Rep. Elijah Cummings, of Maryland, the ranking Democrat on the committee, and chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-California. The whistle-blowers, Gregory Hicks, Mark Thompson and Eric Nordstrom, will brief the committee on what happened during the September 11, 2012, terrorist attack that killed four Americans. In the lead-up to the hearing, Republicans have said the State Department officials will tell the truth about what happened during the attack. Democrats say they have been frozen out of the investigation.

5:19 p.m. - After more than five hours, the Benghazi hearing concluded.

"The hearing is closed, but the investigation is not over," said Rep. Darrell Issa, the chairman on the House Oversight Committee.

5:15 p.m. - After hours of testimony, the hearing turned to Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state who is considered a leading Democratic presidential prospect in 2016. Many Democrats have charged the Republicans on the committee with politicizing the Benghazi issue in an attempt to mar Clinton's record.

Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, recalled Clinton's heated remarks in a past hearing.

“If anyone wants to ask ‘what difference does it make,’ it always matters whether or not you can trust your government,” Gowdy said Wednesday. “And to the families, we’re going to find out what happened in Benghazi, and I don’t give a damn whose career is impacted. We’re going to find out what happened.”

4:20 p.m. – Republican Rep. Mark Meadows of North Carolina: "Earlier you talked about the ARB fixed blame on mid-level, or those career employees, not those at a senior level or the political appointees, is that correct?"

Nordstrom: That's correct. Ambassador Pickering asserted that it was made at the assistant secretary level and below. That's at variance with what I've personally seen.

Meadows: So you personally believe that the decisions are made at a much higher level. Mr. Hicks, I see you're nodding your head, is that correct?

Hicks: Yes, I believe so.

Meadows: So the ARB in looking to place blame in those career employees ignored a whole lot of the, what you would say, the decision makers in terms of assigning blame, correct?

Nordstrom: Absolutely.

4:14 p.m. - Hicks answered a question on why Ambassador Stevens was in Benghazi on September 11, 2012.

"At least one of the reasons he was in Benghazi was to further the secretary's wish that that post become a permanent constituent post and also there because we understood the secretary intended to visit Tripoli later in the year," Hicks said. "We hoped that she would be able to announce to the Libyan people our establishment of a permanent constituent post in Benghazi at that time."

4:10 p.m. – Republican Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky asked Thompson if he's convinced that the changes have been made so that this won't happen again for another Embassy?

"No," Thompson said.

3:30 p.m. – From CNN Foreign Affairs Reporter Elise Labott:

Under questioning from Rep Jim Jordan (R-OH) Greg Hicks told the Oversight Committee that the State Department he was instructed not to let his staff speak to a visiting Congressional delegation investigating the Benghazi attack.  Hicks said State Department lawyers instructed him not to let the embassy’s Regional Security Officer be personally interviewed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz.

This was the first time he was ever instructed not to talk with members of Congress, Hicks said.

Hicks told the Oversight Committee a State Department lawyer accompanying the delegation attempted to sit in every meeting the delegation had at the embassy. When the lawyer was excluded from a classified briefing with Congressman Chaffetz because he did not have the appropriate security clearance, Hicks said he received an angry phone call by Cheryl Mills, then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s Chief of Staff.

“A phone call from that senior person is not considered to be good news,” Hicks said. “She demanded a report on the visit. She was upset.”

The State Department maintains it at no time prevented employees from speaking with members of Congress and encouraged staff to cooperate with the independent Accountability Review Board investigating the attacks.

Philippe Reines, senior adviser and spokesman for Hillary Clinton, responded to Jordan's questioning in a statement to CNN.

Greg Hicks didn't get much in during Congressman Jordan's – I guess I'll call it rant given his decibel level – but his accusation was entirely out of line and not based on what little Greg said. Jordan clearly went in there intent on yelling "cover up" and he was going to yell it no matter what he heard. He could've asked Hicks about his favorite color and Jordan would have blurted out "cover up" in response.

So I'll address his accusation – which is completely & utterly false – by telling you what I remember about that day.

To take a step back, from the moment we learned of the attack in Benghazi, Cheryl Mills did everything she could, round the clock for months on end, right up until our very last day in February, to support our personnel in Tripoli, and keep our 70,000 people worldwide as safe as possible. Anyone who worked around or with her will tell you she gave every bit of herself to the Department. You know half the building, you'll hear the same. You could throw a dart in the cafeteria and it would likely hit someone who will tell you how much she added to the Department and meant to them personally.

And you know I was attached to her at the hip for most of our last five months at State, and never once did she treat anyone with anything other than respect and complete professionalism. Not even me when I deserved it.

In this instance, I was with her and I remember it vividly because we were hearing from our people in Libya that some at Embassy Tripoli were left unsettled by their interactions with the CODEL – which was made up of only Jeremy Chaffetz because he refused to allow any minority member to join him (or is it Jason Chaffetz?) – and the position they felt they were being put in. Which btw, Jeremy/Jason Chaffetz pledged before his trip he wouldn't do, and that he would completely respect the integrity of the FBI investigation by not interrogating State personnel, who had also just been through hell, were still in a dangerous situation, and lost colleagues and friends – including their ambassador Chris Stevens who they adored.

State sent a legal advisor as sop to Tripoli so that any personnel on the ground who wanted their advice or presence for any conversation could avail themselves of that option. For their own protection and comfort. Chaffetz refused to let this person on government plane, and resented his being in Tripoli (after he was forced to fly there on his own). And he decided he didn't want this person around. Which wasn't his choice to make for the individuals on the ground. If those individuals didn't feel a need for it, they didn't have to take it. And nobody was told to keep Chaffetz from speaking with anyone. That's completely at odds with the cooperative approach the Department has taken with the Congress – all eight of the committees looking into this – from day one, until today.

So after hearing these disturbing reports from several people on the ground, Cheryl said she wanted to call Greg herself to find out how the CODEL went (also remember that it was soon after the attack and we were worried that a CODEL, which requires a great deal of embassy support, would tax their resources at a very difficult time), and that we were behind and with them 100%. She wanted them to know that no matter how far away they were from home, they weren't alone, that the Department was with them, that she was with them, and most importantly, that the Secretary was with them.

I heard Hicks say that nobody senior had ever called him with good news. That's too bad. But he'd never met Cheryl. That's who she is, that's what she does.

I remember it so vividly because in the midst of a very trying time, it was exactly what you'd hope a leader would do at a time like that. To take a moment to talk to the people on the ground, doing the work, trying to do that work under difficult circumstances after a terrible event, making sure they're ok.

So I'm hoping that if Greg Hicks had been allowed to say more than yes or no and actually elaborated on the conversation, Jordan's accusation would be revealed to be as specious as it is.

What I do know though is that Tom Pickering, who led the review and interviewed Greg for their report, said as recently as today in some interview that Hicks expressed nothing like what Jordan is alleging.

2:55 p.m. – Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona played footage of Hillary Clinton’s Senate testimony, in which she asked what difference it made in determining whether the violence sparked from a protest or came from a planned attack.

Gosar then asked Hicks what difference he thought it made.

“I think the question is, what difference did it make? President Magariaf was insulted in front of his own people, in front of the world. His credibility was reduced (because of Rice’s comments),” he said.

“And I definitely believe that it negatively affected our ability to get the FBI team quickly to Benghazi,” Hicks added.

2:24 p.m. – Asked if he would have said the same things Susan Rice said on the Sunday morning shows, Hicks said no.

“Not after hearing what President Magariaf said,” Hick said, referring to the Libyan president, who publicly described the violence as a terror attack shortly after it happened.

“He had gone to Benghazi himself at great personal and political risk. For him to appear on world television and say this was a planned attack by terrorists is phenomenal. I was jumping up and down when he said that. It was a gift for us from a policy perspective, from my perspective sitting in Tripoli.”

2:20 p.m.- Republican Rep. McHenry of North Carolina asked Greg Hicks more questions about Susan Rice’s statements on Sunday morning shows, in which she said the attack originated from a protest.

McHenry: Was there a protocol within the consulate in the event of a protest?

Hicks: Yes there was.

McHenry: Was there any evidence when you were there in Libya on that day that this was a protest?

Hicks: No there was none and I'm confident Ambassador Stevens would have reported a protest immediately if one appeared on his door. The protocol was of course for us to evacuate immediately from the consulate and move to the annex

McHenry: OK. Was there anything in connection to a YouTube video? Was there any awareness that the events occurred because of a YouTube video?

Hicks: The YouTube video was a non-event in Libya.

McHenry: OK. Did you know about that within a couple days or the day of?

Hicks: Yes

McHenry: And so did you report to anyone in Washington within the first couple of days that there was anything in connection, a protest in connection with a YouTube video?

Hicks: No. The only report our mission made through every channel was that there had been an attack on our consulate.

McHenry: Not a protest?

Hicks: No protest.

2:06 p.m. - Multiple members of the committee, including Democrats, vowed to protect the whistle-blowers from any potential threat of punishment from the State Department.

"You have my personal pledge that were there ever to be any hint at retaliation or retribution for your willingness to come forth and tell your version of what happened, this member of Congress will intervene on your behalf," said Democratic Rep. Gerry Connolly of Virginia.

1:54 p.m. – As the House Oversight Committee hears testimony on Capitol Hill, a spokesman for President Barack Obama dismissed the Benghazi hearing as a political event, rather than a true attempt at gathering new information.

“This is a subject that has, from its beginning, been subject to attempts to politicize it by Republicans when, in fact, what happened in Benghazi was a tragedy,” White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said at Wednesday’s briefing.

He asserted Obama has remained committed since the attack in Benghazi to finding those responsible and to preventing any further violence at American diplomatic posts abroad.

“This administration has made extraordinary efforts to work with five different congressional committees investigating what happened before, during and after the Benghazi attacks, including over the past eight months, testifying in 10 congressional hearings, holding 20 staff briefings and providing over 25,000 pages of documents,” Carney said.

His remarks were echoed by State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell, who reminded reporters his agency has already conducted a review of what happened in Benghazi.

“We've had the accountability review board, we've had their recommendations, all of which we've accepted and are vigorously implementing,” he said.

1:22 p.m. Hicks told the committee that the reason Stevens was in Benghazi on September 2012 was because he needed to finish an “action memo” on how to make the consulate in Benghazi a “permanent facility.”

“According to Chris [Ambassador Stevens], Secretary Clinton wanted Benghazi converted into a permanent constituent post,” Hicks said. “Timing for this decision was important. Chris needed to report before September 30th, the end of the fiscal year on the political and security environment in Benghazi to support an action memo to convert Benghazi from a temporary facility to a permanent facility. In addition, Chris wanted to make a symbolic gesture to the people of Benghazi that the United States stood behind their dream of establishing a new democracy.”

Although, State Department officials acknowledge that Stevens was pushing to make the consulate in Benghazi permanent, Hick’s claim that this was the primary reason for his visit to Benghazi  differentiates from the reason the Obama administration said Stevens traveled to Benghazi.

“Chris Stevens loved his work. He took pride in the country he served, and he saw dignity in the people that he met,” President Obama said in a late September speech to the United Nations General Assembly. “And two weeks ago, he traveled to Benghazi to review plans to establish a new cultural center and modernize a hospital. That’s when America’s compound came under attack.”

1:10 p.m. – Hicks continues to be the most questioned whistle-blower. Republican Rep. Jason Chaffetz of Utah used his time to ask how military personnel reacted to being told to stand-down after the attack on the Benghazi.

“How did the personnel react at being told to stand down,” the Utah Republican asked.

“They were furious,” Hicks said. “I can only say, well I will quote Lieutenant Colonel Gibson who said, ‘This is the first time in my career that a diplomat has more balls than somebody in the military.’”

Hicks told a similar story to in an interview with congressional investigators before the hearing. Specifically, Greg Hicks wondered why the military did not send a plane into Libyan airspace as a show of force, and why four U.S. Special Operations soldiers were not permitted to travel to Benghazi on a Libyan plane the morning of September 12.

Chaffetz has long focused on this issue. Before the hearing the congressman told CNN that "military personnel were ready willing and able, and within proximity, but the Pentagon told them they had no authority and to stand down."

The congressman's view is refuted by the Obama administration. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta testified in February that the Defense Department didn't have enough time to get armed military assets to Benghazi to fend off a deadly attack on a U.S. consulate in September.

"This was, pure and simple, in the absence, as I said - of any kind of advance warning - a problem of distance and time," Panetta said.

In similar testimony Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey said he could not have gotten troops on the ground within 13 to 15 hours.

1:01 p.m. – Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney of New York defended former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

"I find it truly disturbing and very unfortunate that when Americans come under attack the first thing some did in this country was attack Americans, attack the military, attack the president, attack the state department, attack the former senator from the great state of New York and former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, and I would like to ask some questions about these attacks to get at the real facts."

"Last month Chairman Issa went on national television and accused former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton – accused her of lying under oath when she testified before Congress that she did not personally approve of security reductions in Libya.  As proof he claimed that she personally signed a cable denying requests for additional security.  And he stated and I quote – “the Secretary of State is just wrong.  She said she did not participate in this and yet only a few months before the attack she outright denied security and her signature in a cable on April 2012.’  The fact is that the secretary did not sign this cable in 2012."

Maloney added that Clinton's name was typed at the bottom of the page, the general procedure for thousands of cables that come out of the State Department each year. The congresswoman read from a State Department manual that state's the secretary's name must appear on all "telegrams to post."

(L-R) State Department foreign service officer and former deputy chief of mission/charge d'affairs in Libya, Gregory Hicks; and State Department diplomatic security officer and former regional security officer in Libya, Eric Nordstrom, testify at the hearing. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:57 p.m. – Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina read an excerpt from an email that Beth Jones, the acting Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs at the State Department, sent and copied Greg Hicks.

"Some of these emails even though they are not classified have not been released Mr. Chairman, including the one that I am going to read from," Gowdy said. "So for my colleagues who trumpet bipartisanship this would be a wonderful time to prove it.  This is from Ms. Jones to you, to counsel for Hillary Clinton, to Victoria Nuland, to Mr. Kennedy – near as I can tell to almost everyone in the State Department – and I am going to read from it."

“I spoke to the Libyan ambassador and emphasized the importance of Libyan leaders continuing to make strong statements," he read aloud, adding that the email was sent on September the 12th, the day after Benghazi and several days after Rice’s television appearance.  "When he said his government suspected that former Gadhafi regime elements carried out the attacks I told him that the group that conducted the attacks, Ansar al sharia, is affiliated with Islamic terrorists.’  Let me say that again Mr. Hicks – she told him, the State Department on September 12th, days before our ambassador went on national television, is telling the ambassador to Libya the group that conducted the attacks Ansar al sharia is affiliated with Islamic terrorists."

The State Department has maintained that they've been defining the violence as a terrorist attack since September 12. State Department officials were surprised to hear Rice describing it as a spontaneous attack that originated from a demonstration.

12:55 p.m. – U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice was the face of the administration in the days following the attack, and maintained in several media appearances its account of events - that the assault on the compound was the result of a demonstration that turned violent.

Later, the administration called the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism.

During the House hearing, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy of South Carolina asked how Hicks reacted to the interviews, where, he said Rice perpetuated a “demonstrably false narrative.”

“I was stunned, my jaw dropped and I was embarrassed,” Hicks said.

Gowdy also peppered Hicks with questions about what kind of interaction he had with Rice before her appearances on the Sunday shows.

“Did she talk to you before she went on the five Sunday talk shows?” Gowdy asked.

“No, sir,” Hicks said.

“You were the highest ranking official in Libya at the time, correct,” Gowdy questioned.

“Yes, sir,” Hicks said.

“And she did not bother to have a conversation with you before she went on national television,” Gowdy asked.

“No, sir,” Hicks said.

"So, Ambassador Rice directly contradicts the evidence on the ground in Libya," Gowdy replied. "She directly contradicts the president of Libya, she directly contradicts the last statement uttered by Ambassador Stevens."

12:30 p.m. – In his retelling of the night of September 11, 2012, Hicks described his first conversation with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

“At about 2 a.m., Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called me, along with her senior staff who were all on the phone, and she asked me what was going on and I briefed her on developments,” Hicks said. “Most of the conversation was about the search for Ambassador Stevens. It was also about what we were going to do with our personnel in Benghazi and I told her that we would need to evacuate. And that was the, she said that was the right thing to do.”

Hicks also described the first time he spoke with the prime minister of Libya. It was during the phone call that Hicks said he first learned that Ambassador Stevens had passed away.

"About 3 a.m. I received a call from the prime minister of Libya," Hicks said. "I think it's the saddest phone call I've ever had in my life. He told me that Ambassador Stevens had passed away. I immediately telephoned Washington that news afterwards."

Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee asks questions during a hearing over the Benghazi attack. (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:21 p.m. – In response to a question about the night, Hicks launched into a lengthy retelling of what happened on the night of September 11, 2012.

"The night unfolded in four phases," Hicks sad. "The first phase was the attack on our consulate. This story is well known I think. The consulate was invaded. The Villa C where Ambassador and Sean Smith and Scott Wickland were hiding in the safe area was set on fire. The attackers also went into other buildings. They were unable to enter the Tactical Operations Center in Benghazi because of improvements to that facility that had been made."

After that, Hicks said that Scott Strickland, a diplomatic security special agent, attempted to get the ambassador out of the consulate.

"Scott attempted to lead the Ambassador and Sean Smith out of the burning building; he managed to make it out, he tried repeatedly to go back in to try to rescue Sean and the ambassador but he had to stop due to exposure to smoke," Hicks said. "The response team from the annex in Benghazi, six individuals, drove the attackers out of our compound and secured it temporarily. There have been estimates as high as 60 attackers in the compound at one particular time."

After securing the building temporarily, Hicks said, the security officials attempted to save the ambassador and Sean Smith, a foreign service officer who died in the attack.

"There were repeated attempts by all of the RSOs and the response team from the annex to go into the burning building and recover, try to save Sean and the Ambassador. They found Sean's body and pulled it out but he was no longer responsive," Hicks said. "They did not find the ambassador."

READ MORE: Benghazi siege: The ambassador's last minutes

12:14 p.m. - In describing the night to the committee, Hicks discussed how he found out about the Benghazi compound coming under attack. Hicks said he received a call from the then-U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens while the compound was being stormed.

"I found two missed calls on my phone, one from the Ambassador and one from a phone number I didn't recognize," Hicks said. "And I punched the phone number I didn't recognize and I got the Ambassador on the other end and he said, 'Greg, we're under attack'."

12:12 p.m. – One of the whistle-blowers, Gregory Hicks, the deputy Chief of Mission in Libya, said his testimony today, which is expected to contradict the State Department's account on the terrorist attack, is his effort to uphold to Constitution.

"In February 1991, I swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States," Hicks said. "I am here today to honor that oath. I look forward to answering your questions fully and truthfully."

Read Hicks' prepared statement in full

House Holds Hearing On Benghazi Consulate Attacks

State Department foreign service officer and former deputy chief of mission/charge d'affairs in Libya, Gregory Hicks (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

12:09 p.m. – Eric Nordstrom, one of the whistle-blowers, thanked the oversight committee for their continued efforts, "specifically the committee's labors to uncover what happened prior, during and after the attack matter."

In what seemed like a response to Hillary Clinton's Senate testimony–in which she said said "what difference, at this point, does it make" over how the violence started–Nordstrom stressed it was important to get to the bottom of the attack.

"It matters to me personally, and it matters to my colleagues, to my colleagues at the Department of State," he said, growing emotional. "It matters to the American public for whom we serve. And most importantly, it matters to the friends and family of Ambassador Stevens, Sean Smith, Glen Doherty, Tyrone Woods, who were murdered on September 11, 2012."

Read Nordstrom's prepared statement in full

State Department diplomatic security officer and former regional security officer in Libya, Eric Nordstrom (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)

11:59 a.m. -From CNN’s Senior Pentagon Correspondent Barbara Starr:

The Pentagon is pushing back heavily against any claim that four U.S. special forces troops were banned from traveling to Benghazi in response to the attacks because of undue military bureaucracy.

The allegation comes from Gregory Hicks, the deputy chief of the U.S. mission at the time, in an April 11 interview with Congress. Hicks was asked by the committee for the rationale of why he was told they couldn’t go.

“I guess they just didn't have the right authority from the right level,” Hicks responded.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said the U.S. Africa Command operations center in fact told the men to stay in Tripoli, Libya, because the attacks had stopped before the Libyan C-130 they wanted to board had arrived and they were not needed in Benghazi. Instead they were needed to assist with arriving flights carrying the remains of the dead and other personnel in Tripoli and to assist in aiding U.S. personnel evacuated from Benghazi.

The men who wanted to go also were not equipped with combat gear and weapons and were not trained as a reaction force for a terrorist attack, Little said.

11:58 a.m. – Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, chair of the investigative committee, and Democrat Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking member of the committee have each given their opening statement.

"Our goal in this investigation is to get answers because their families deserve answers," Issa said. "They were promised answers at the highest level when their bodies came home. The President was there, the Vice President was there, the Secretary of Defense was there, the Secretary of State was there. We want to make certain those promises are kept on behalf of those individuals."

"Our committee has a fundamental obligation to conduct responsible oversight and that includes carefully examining the information that you and others provide but we also have a duty to thoroughly investigate these claims before we make public accusations. In contrast, what we have seen over the past two weeks is a full scale media campaign that is not designed to investigate what happened in a responsible and bipartisan way but rather a launch of unfounded accusations to smear public officials," Cummings said.

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  1. Sniffit

    "The "Bush was worse" argument is the sign of an inferior intellect. The magnitude of his crimes, real or imagined, have nothing to do with what is being discussed today."

    The argument isn't "Bush was worse." The argument is that the GOP/Teatrolls have no credibility on these issues and that all of their motives for conducting this witchhunt are suspect and clearly partisan, biased, not objective, and meant to serve their agenda. Were they honest about their concerns here, then it would be shown in their track record that they've displayed similar concerns and taken similar actions to address them, particularly when things were "worse." But they haven't and their history doesn't contain those examples, which reveals just how much of a partisan charade this whole thing is in the first place.

    May 8, 2013 05:25 pm at 5:25 pm |
  2. Ryan Yeh

    I am still waiting for the smoking gun that President Obama personally ordered the attack. This whole thing is just a way to bash the after-action talking points of Rice and nothing else. I thought the whole point was to find out where the breakdown in communication was DURING the attack, not whether or not Rice made erroneous statements after the fact. I hope Representative Gowdy can send a clip of him espousing the importance of telling the truth to everyone to former Vice-President Cheney and former President Bush next time they say it doesn't matter there were no WMDs. It is amusing to see how the Congressmen go with compound, leading questions and act like the yes or no answers are so revealing.

    May 8, 2013 05:26 pm at 5:26 pm |
  3. Tony

    At the end of this hearing, Republicans would have learned that there must be some kind of cover-up. Why? Because Democrats must be covering up something, otherwise Republicans would have found some evidence of something by now. So if no evidence of something has been found, it only proves that this is a bigger cover-up than Watergate. Of course, going into the hearing, Republicans knew already that there must be some kind of cover-up. They had already heard that from Fox News and talk radio. So even for Republicans, this hearing is a waste of time.

    May 8, 2013 05:27 pm at 5:27 pm |
  4. Sniffit

    "Ya and pull numbers showed Romney ahead of Obama right before the election, when are you going to learn that polls are WORTHLESS!!!!! "

    Some did. The ones I'm relying on didn't. PPP was rated some of the highest accuracy polling in 2012...unlike Gallup and other outfits that seem to either have broken modeling or some sort of bias...and they've been polling the Clinton thing and also things like the approval numbers of those who voted for and against the background check legislation.

    "And besides those polls are before all this which has proven the administration lied!!! "

    I've got news for you, pal. Today's circus proved nothing except that the GOP/Teatrolls were able to find and coach a few people who disagreed with the decisions of their superiors. No real hard evidence was produced today and a lot of it was opinion testimony. Testimony that "I believe [that decisions were made at a higher level than that found by the Administrative Review Board]" is not hard evidence that the investigation was incorrect in its conclusions. Moreover, Ambassador Pickering was not allowed to testify because the GOP/Teatrolls didn't want any rebuttal to that statement of BELIEF.

    " I supported Obama's first term "

    No you didn't. Nobody believes that crap when everything coming out of your mouth was written by the RNC, Red State and World Net Daily.

    May 8, 2013 05:31 pm at 5:31 pm |
  5. Buddy

    WOW CNN and it's readers the Super Dems who think all Republicans or conservatives are wrong or bad. Gee go figure. I never voted before but come 2016 I guarantee I will and it won't be for Hillary. You can make aby snide or stupid comments you want, but we will see come 2016. Immigration, gun control, now Benghazi, oh yes I am sure keep blaming Bush. Somehow its is still all his fault. Thats all you ever say............

    May 8, 2013 05:33 pm at 5:33 pm |
  6. Sniffit

    " That's at variance with what I've personally seen. "

    Carefully absent from this exchange is the obvious question: "well, then, what DID you see?" FLUFF TESTIMONY.

    May 8, 2013 05:34 pm at 5:34 pm |
  7. Pair 'O Dimes

    What we have in the Benghazi terrorist attack is either gross negligence, colossal incompetence, or massive coverup. What is really sad is the reponses from the liberal kool-aid drinkers:

    "What about Bush's lies?"
    "We beat you in 2012, and will again in 2016."
    "You are just sore 'cause you lost the election."

    The problem isn't Obama. It isn't Clinton. It is the 65 million, self-serving morons who put them there.

    May 8, 2013 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
  8. DumbasRocks [R]s

    Independent and Duke - You two do realize, don't you, that YOU are the very reason that the [D]s will keep winning future elections. Why, an inquiring mind might ask? Anyone with brains can detect your blind uber-partisan obedience at rabidly parroting of the rightwing fairytales that have been driven into your heads like nails by your rightwing media lords. Your frenzied display of continuously strained logic is so obviously governed by [R] spin, it should be cause for self-embarrassment to a sentient being, but not you two. You gladly play the fools for your Teatard puppetmasters. The public is sick of it.

    You lost in 2012. But keep on posting. [D]s could not come up with better anti-[R] themes if they spent millions on ads, than you two and your ilk are providing for FREE!!!! LOSERS.

    May 8, 2013 05:37 pm at 5:37 pm |
  9. rs

    "Only a complete koolaide drinking imbecile would believe this wasn't a massive Whitehouse coverup to save Obama's re-election. "
    So, where's the evidence? If this was to be all that explosive, why would the State Department and the Executive branch not do something about the attack? If they chose to do nothing, where is the cover-up? If this meant so much, how did Romney get left looking like a fool for trying to use the Benghazi incident in the debate? Everyone knew the facts then, and it did him no good at the polls. You people are pathetic.

    Face it, once again the GOP is firing blanks. It ought to be a crime to try to capitalize political points on a tragedy involving brave American Diplomats serving abroad. But, then again, no one ever said Republicans were patriotic or even care about those who serve our great nation and pay the highest price doing so.

    May 8, 2013 05:43 pm at 5:43 pm |
  10. rs

    Where are the time lines and details of exactly what Obama and Hillary Clinton were doing during the entire course of this attack, which lasted for 7-8 hours over two days???
    Ummmm, Donna? The attack occurred in the middle of the night on the east coast (didn't you read the article?), and 7-8 hours is about 1/3rd of a day, not two. Naturally all of this sounds really bad if you refuse to know the facts, right?

    May 8, 2013 05:50 pm at 5:50 pm |
  11. it must be considered

    Of course none of this could have been a terrorist attack. After all, Obama had saved Libya from Guadaffi right? Everything was just peachy keen over there and Obama was a Savior. The Messiah had single handedly shimmied down the rope from the chopper and put one right between the eyes of Bin Laden. For month after month the4 elction narrative was "Bin Lad is dead and GM is alive". If this was a terrorist attack by AQ then half of the Obama election narrative would have exposed as a LIE.

    Wake up America. Obama, the Democrats and their water boys in the LSM are lying to you over and over.

    May 8, 2013 05:51 pm at 5:51 pm |
  12. jonathan

    It's all Obama's and Hillary's fault! They didn't call in Superman to make the earth spin in reverse in order to go back in time, so they could call in the troops to Benghazi to keep it from being attacked! Can one Republican here tell me what exactly they think the President or the Secretary of State could have done to prevent this?

    May 8, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  13. John

    @Pete. And countries never hated us before Bush? Stop being so delusional. Countries have hated us before Bush, during Bush, and still under Obama. Our country will always be hated no matter what we do. I won't deny that the hate was strengthened during Bush; but that hate has been strengthened in other countries during Obama's tenure. The hatred that people and other countries will never stop.

    May 8, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  14. Malory Archer

    Hey tighty righties if you're going to keep harping on "what difference does it make" howsabout being honest and putting it into context by quoting Secretary Clinton's entire statement:

    "With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime."

    The entire exchange between Secretary Clinton and Senator Johnson is out there for anyone who wishes to read it. However, it doesn't fit the rethugs' "facts" so my suggestion is for naught.

    May 8, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  15. Hyde

    Shame on CNN and the comments here. Men died protecting US interests, and were abandoned. Instead of asking more of the state Department, the conversation devolves into partisan politics.

    May 8, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  16. Sniffit

    "We’re going to find out what happened.”"

    Translation: This witchhunt will continue until we think we've heard what we've wanted to hear.

    25,000 pages, 20 some odd briefings, 10 rounds of testimony, today's not-so-explosive testimony and show-trial hearing, etc., and the GOP/Teatrolls still pretend they magically, somehow haven't the slightest clue "what happened" in Banghazi...and it's for no other reason than they don't have a scalp to show for it all or a scapegoat to hang.

    Well, they effectively wasted today. Now...on to wasting next week with a 37th vote to repeal the ACA...because god forbid we focus on the economy if it might mean a lessening of the suffering the GOP/Teatrolls want to blame on Obama.

    May 8, 2013 05:53 pm at 5:53 pm |
  17. Sniffit

    "It's probably time to ask the hard questions....what were we doing in Benhazi and what did Chris Stevens know that made him a liablility to the current administration?"

    You apparently have confused the phrase "hard questions" with the phrase "loaded questions." Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

    May 8, 2013 05:54 pm at 5:54 pm |
  18. Abby

    Compelling factual testimony from on the scene witnesses who Obama and Clinton and brownshirt leftists are trying to marginalize and intimidate. Meanwhile CNN ignores this historic testimony. No wonder they continue to lose viewers.

    May 8, 2013 05:56 pm at 5:56 pm |
  19. Lisa P.


    Hillary Clinton asked "what diference does it make". Eric Nordstorm's emotional testimony reveals why. He has four dead friends, and America deserves to know why.
    May 8, 2013 05:02 pm at 5:02 pm

    I confess that I have to wonder who, exactly, Diplomatic Security Officer and Regional Security Officer in Libya Eric Nordstrom was crying for. If he had done his job properly his friends wouldn't be dead, would they? Personally I'm always willing to allow for human error in matters like, say, failing to equip a safe room with some kind of emergency breathing apparatus, because who could predict that an angry mob would be more interested in burning the building than finding and attacking diplomatic personnel? Or that a Benghazi militia was communicating and exchanging members with other Islamist militias in Cairo and Algeria?

    But it seems to me that for the witch hunters of the Republican House there are no accidents - everything is an evil scheme deserving the harshest of scrutiny and punishment. If you're not on their side, that is. I'm thinking that Security Officer Nordstrom might be crying for his lost career, and hoping a little CYA will make everything right again. Yeah - it's all the higher-ups' fault! No, really!

    May 8, 2013 05:56 pm at 5:56 pm |
  20. Sniffit

    "Because Democrats must be covering up something, otherwise Republicans would have found some evidence of something by now. So if no evidence of something has been found, it only proves that this is a bigger cover-up than Watergate. "

    Indeed. The GOP/Teatroll brain damage logic malfunction can be summed up as follows:

    Lack of evidence of the conspiracy is proof of the conspiracy.

    I've used the example before, but it's all just the "elephant in the strawberry patch" syndrome. You did know that elephants hide in strawberry patches, didn't you? No? Well, have you ever SEEN an elephant in a strawberry patch? No? Well then...see...they hide pretty good then, don't they?

    May 8, 2013 05:57 pm at 5:57 pm |
  21. Malory Archer

    It's probably time to ask the hard questions....what were we doing in Benhazi and what did Chris Stevens know that made him a liablility to the current administration?


    "We" have a small Diplomatic annex there. You are aware the United States has Embassies and Consulates in nearly every nation on the planet, right? And in any country larger than a postage stamp they're going to have annexes in various locations. As for the second half of your question; I've got a roll of some high-quality, heavy-duty tin foil for sale – cheap!

    May 8, 2013 05:57 pm at 5:57 pm |
  22. Sniffit

    "Somehow its is still all his fault. "

    "Somehow" is very easy to explain: the GOP/Teatrolls have fought tooth and nail and used the filibuster and every other procedural shenanigan they could to prevent Bush/GOP policies from his presidency from being undone..and so most of them still continue and continue to do their damage. That's truly not hard to understand; it's just that it's not what you want to hear.

    May 8, 2013 06:00 pm at 6:00 pm |
  23. Cara

    The media has not been investigating or reporting on this Benghazi incident. They have been purposely avoiding giving it any air time. The lack of professional journalism in the mainstream media is obscene. Do your job and cover this story, it is about our country and the politicians that run it.
    Kudos to Fox News who has been covering the story from the beginning and asking why?

    May 8, 2013 06:04 pm at 6:04 pm |
  24. salempapoo

    What we have seen and heard today is important , to the very core of our goverment . It seems some posters just want to complain that it is a witch hunt on Hillary or an attack on Obama . It is clear that since the attack no real hard evidence has been brought forward , well it has now .

    It is also clear many posters dont care if someone in goverment turned a deaf ear to the Benghazi attack . It seems the only care some have are as long as a democrat is in office all is well . This is sad for America .

    It is apparent to me and any caring person that the attack on benghazi could of been avoided . It is also important why it was not important to the current administation . I would think we all know why it wasnt , the current administration does not want to cause any Muslim nation any sence that america is hostile to them by putting military guards in force to protect the Embassies in those nations . It is just that simple .

    May 8, 2013 06:05 pm at 6:05 pm |
  25. Romney is Still NOT My Hero

    I'll sum up this whole hearing. This is the "Why didn't we win in November 2012?" hearing. Nothing more or less. I'll be glad when it's all over, so we can go back to fighting over gun control, abortion and immigration. Gotta love the good ol' US of A.

    May 8, 2013 06:06 pm at 6:06 pm |
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