House passes late term abortion ban
Washington (CNN) - The House of Representatives Tuesday passed a GOP-sponsored bill banning so- called "late term abortions" - procedures for women who are beyond 20 weeks into their pregnancy. The vote was 228-196, mostly along party lines.
The bill’s sponsor, Republican Rep. Trent Franks, R-Arizona, stirred up controversy last week when he opposed an effort by House Democrats to add an exception for women who are raped, arguing that "the incidents of rape resulting in pregnancy are very low."
House Democrats seized on the comment, and because of the backlash GOP leaders later decided to add new language to the bill allowing women who get pregnant as a result of rape or incest to obtain an abortion if they report the crime to authorities.
The White House has threatened a veto on the legislation, but the Democratic-led Senate is not expected to take up the measure.
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What is truly disheartening is that every time this issue comes up, some leftist compares a fetus to a parasite. You can't reason with that kind of ignorance.
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Glad you want to help out Matt- so what kind of program do you and your ilk support to help the 25,000 new borns that will result from your federal government, big government forced-birth ideology? Funding for their health care? Public Education support? Support for the single Mom? Oh, yeah, after birth the Right doesn't care, I forgot.
@ Jeff from Columbus
Not a bummer at all to me. As with all semantic arguments, there is room for just about everyone to come up with a meaning that suits their argument. Just like the "life begins at conception" argument that many believe and argue but most people wouldn't consider themselves "alive" just because their body is performing some basic biological processes. In fact, most people I've discussed the issue with say if something happened and they were alive but lost their cognitive and emotional abilities, they do not consider that to be alive and would not want to be kept "alive". It all depends on the individual's definition. To some "alive" means cardiovascular functioning, pulmonary functioning, etc. but to others being "alive" means and requires much more than that. I was fully aware that there are numerous definitions and that someone who has no intelligent reasonable argument would try to play the "gotcha" game so you didn't pull off the huge "burn" that you think you did.
@ rs
What is truly disheartening is that every time this issue comes up, some leftist compares a fetus to a parasite. You can't reason with that kind of ignorance.
No more than you can reason with the delusional individuals that believe there is a magical man living in the sky that is all benevolent and a magical man living underground that is all evil. The parasite reference only applies when there is one organism benefitting from another organism and the relationship is not beneficial to both. There are many cases where a woman getting pregnant is not beneficial to her at all, for many reasons. If you want to reproduce and are able to take care of it, then no, it isn't a parasitic relationship because it is benefitting the host but if you do not want to reproduce or at that time are not able to take care of the result but are forced to continue using your biological resources to support it then yes, it is a parasitic relationship. The only problem with that logic is that it is perhaps too logical and above the comprehension of people that want to make laws that restrict the actions of others based on their own emotions or in many cases their absurd religious beliefs.
Ultimately, the bill doesn't mean anything because it will never see the light of the Senate. Bills that can't be passed in Washington D.C. is a waste of our taxpayer money. The Speaker of the House can make statements are he does very well. The US needs action.
Where are the Job bills? We get trying to repeal Obamacare for the zillionist time, we get religious abortion bills that have no chance of ever getting any further than the house. The Tea baggers have hi-jacked are political system of compromise. It's a good thing Obama hasn't endorsed toilet paper or Congress would be the smelliest place on earth.
They shouldn't be wasting their time on this, they should be voting to repeal Obamacare for the 38th time. Much more constructive use of time. /sarcasm
And the Republicans still wonder why they lost 2012....Seriously.
GOPs talk out of both sides of their mouths. They're against late term abortion or any abortion for that matter but go around and complain about the welfare rolls. What do you think will happen to all those babies who are born and the mother or father is not there to take care of him/her or are not in the child's life? How many children each year are raped, abused, molested, etc. because the caregiver did it, the parent left the child with a boyfriend or girlfriend or the parents are so wasted teh child is on its own? Is it fair to bring a child into this world and expose it so such abuses? Is that moral, ethical, religious? You KNOW there are women out there getting pregnant and the child has no chance at life. If its' aborted, all this could be avoided.
Whose life is more valuable, yours or mine? I pick mine.... that is essentially what a person is choosing when aborting, that a person's life is less valuable and theirs becomes dominant. Praise GOD in heaven, who does not exist in the bounds of time that His ways are not our ways. A fetus is only a fetus for a fraction of time compared with the amount of time it is a functioning person. See "it" for what it is, a whole life that is independent of a mother for all but 9 months of its existence.
What a waste of time and taxpayer money. Yet another strategic vote from Republicans to make themselves proud of their voting records, while the country suffers. The House is about to take another vacation for July 4. Where is their immigration bill? Stuck on stupid?
Student loan rates will double in two weeks. We have bigger issues than the House voting for something that is already settled law in the eyes of the SCOTUS, Roe v. Wade.
@John: You told us to look up the definition of child to try to prove it didn't apply to a fetus. But, the definition proves that a "child" CAN be a fetus.
Next time – check your facts before you make a statement. Don't get upset at me because your bold declaration blew up in your face.
If life begins at conception, then it is possible that a woman could commit murder once a month.
Liberal Sense (Or lack thereof)
rs – Obviously by your post you support killing babies.
I'm sure you're so very proud of yourself.
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yes, I am proud I actually think about this stuff, and assume that it is not my right to tell a woman what to do in this case.
Yet AGAIN we see the Republican legislators wasting precious time to focus on pointless legislation that stands NO CHANCE of becoming law.
It's almost laughable that the Republican Party can't control their apparent obsession with social issues despite the strong message that American voters sent them last November to "step away." There's an old saying that one sign of insanity is to keep repeating the same failed things again and again and again.....
rs
Liberal Sense (Or lack thereof)
rs – Obviously by your post you support killing babies.
I'm sure you're so very proud of yourself.
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yes, I am proud I actually think about this stuff, and assume that it is not my right to tell a woman what to do in this case.
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Correction, you approve of murdering babies.
@rs
Why should a rape victim be forced to carry the rapists baby? Well, for the same reason a rape victim is not allowed to express their grief from the rape by dismembering the rapists family. Or the rapists spouse. Or even some random stranger. See, the punishment is generally visited on the perpetrator, not the innocent bystanders.
At the end of the day this isn't a women's rights issue to me. It's a human rights issue. When your right as a woman to be able to get out of an unpleasant situation outweighs the value of another human life, you are setting human rights on their head.
@rs – Arguing that someone doesn't favor public assistance and therefore they have no grounds to oppose mass murder is nonsensical. It's a canard. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
I do not understand why 20 weeks is not sufficient time for a woman to make an informed decision that she wants an abortion and/or locate an abortion doctor. 20 weeks is 5 months.
There needs to be a line where a baby stops being an abortable piece of a woman's body and a human protected by our laws..
Any time spent on bills that everyone knows from the outset are going absolutely nowhere are a total waste of time and taxpayers money. The sole purpose of this bill is for the GOP to rally the loony tune religious right and make them feel like they matter. Congress has much more important things to do than waste valuable time on this foolishness – we need jobs, we need the sequester lifted. We don't need weeks wasted on "scandals" that don't exist and bills that are going nowhere. The GOP is just trying to divert everyone's attention from the fact that they are a DO NOTHING, OBSTRUCTIONIST bunch of parasites who criticize the 47% for living off the government while they, themselves live off the government and give NOTHING in return.
@ Jeff from Columbus
That's funny if you think I would get upset because out of the 3 or 4 definitions you found, one of them supports your view that a fetus is a child. I could care less about how you or anyone else that wants to tell others what they must or must not do when their bodies are involved define "child" or any other word. What does upset me is when some individuals want to pass laws that regulate what should be personal matters. I don't care if its a liberal policy or a conservative policy. No government should have the authority to tell any individual you have to have a baby if you decide it isn't what they want. I get upset because the party that has the majority in the house continues to waste time voting on bills that will go no further and on issues that have already been ruled on by the Supreme Court. This bill just as all the various state bills that have been passed in conservative states are intended to do nothing but subvert the established reproductive rights of women.
I find it hard to believe that in a civil country like ours a law like this is so controversial. If the baby has a heartbeat, brain function & most likely can feel pain, why would anyone think it was okay to tear it's limbs off and suck it up with a vacuum? I have a good friend with a healthy 3-yr-old daughter who was born at 24 weeks gestation. I don't care what wrongs the father committed, those babies don't deserve to die a horrible death. Stop covering up rape by pretending it never happened & maybe the women who have been raped will get the help they need. Maybe men will be held accountable for their actions & rape will actually decrease. Rape is not the baby's fault. Punish the rapist, not the child.
The whole system is messed up. Think about it. Revolution needs to come, hopefully peacefully, but when the people have had enough, who knows what will happen.
The senate passes an immigration bill. The Dems call the Reps in the house obstructionist and the Reps say the Dems in the senate are trying to pass legislation that will go nowhere.
The house passes an abortion bill. The Reps call the Dems in the senate obstructionist and the Dems say the Reps in the house are trying to pass legislation that will go nowhere.
I said it before, compromise no longer means meeting in the middle. Compromise in politics means the other side breaks down and caves to yours.
Why should a rape victim be forced to carry the rapists baby? Well, for the same reason a rape victim is not allowed to express their grief from the rape by dismembering the rapists family.
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but it is completely alright with you to turn her into a vessel for the rapist- That's sick!
@rs – Arguing that someone doesn't favor public assistance and therefore they have no grounds to oppose mass murder is nonsensical. It's a canard. One thing has nothing to do with the other.
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No, it's called logic. YOU want to make a large problem- forcing 25,000 to have children they got through horrible violence, but somehow also manage to think it isn't society's role to help them. That is called being a hypocrit, or some really lousy version of a "Christian".
I heard a lady who was a republican in the house of representatives say that 60% of the people in a poll wanted to restrict abortions after the 26th week. And the republicans were listening to the will of the people. Well then why is it when 90% of the people want to expand background checks for gun purchases they all of a sudden become deaf. They just are playing to their constituents even though they no the abortion bill will fail. Hey why can't they reach across they isle and come up with a jobs bill that works?