CNN's GUT CHECK for October 7, 2013
October 7th, 2013
05:19 PM ET
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CNN's GUT CHECK for October 7, 2013

CNN's GUT CHECK | for October 7, 2013 | 5 p.m.
n. a pause to assess the state, progress or condition of the political news cycle


NEW CNN/ORC POLL SHOWS BLAME ALL AROUND: Most Americans say the government shutdown is causing a crisis or major problems for the country, according to a new national poll. According to the poll, 63% of those questioned say they are angry at the Republicans for the way they have handled the shutdown. "But the Democrats are not getting off scot-free. Fifty-seven percent of Americans are also angry at the way the Democrats are dealing with the shutdown. And a 53% majority say they are also angry at President Obama," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "It looks like there is more than enough blame to go around and both parties are being hurt by the shutdown."

KEY LINE: Independents are equally angry at all sides, with 59% of Independents very or somewhat angry at the Democrats, six in 10 angry at the GOP, and 58% angry at Obama. – Paul Steinhauser

SANFORD ENDS FURLOUGH FOR HIS STAFF, CITING “COMMON SENSE”: Rep. Mark Sanford (R-SC) announced that his office will end all furloughs of staff beginning tomorrow: “When the government shut down we took steps to furlough more than half our staff, because we believed that taxpayers shouldn’t be on the hook for anything more than essential operations during a shutdown. Now that the House has passed legislation to provide all federal employees with back pay and the President has announced his intention to support it, we think it is in the best interest of the taxpayer for us to end our staff furloughs. I think common sense would dictate that now that it’s clear everyone will be paid, that they should work – anything less would amount to an extended taxpayer subsidized vacation.”

MARKET WATCH: Debt deadlock continues to rattle stock market as critical Oct. 17 deadline approaches. Dow drops 136 points.

(Answer below)
During which presidency did a shutdown begin affecting more federal government employees?

DAN (@DanMericaCNN)
What caught our eye today in politics

Whoever says there is no bipartisanship between liberals and conservatives is wrong. According to a new poll, both diametrically opposed political camps have a common denominator: they both believe in their own superiority.

This quote from Kaitlin Toner, a lead author on the Duke University study, caught our eye today:

“These findings help to explain why politicians with more extreme views can’t reach across the aisle,” said Toner. “As more extreme candidates get elected to Congress, compromise becomes more difficult and deadlocks increase because those with more extreme views are more certain that they are right.

This sort of dogmatism – the “arrogant assertion of opinions as truths,” according to the study – is present with both Democrats and Republicans.

The researchers asked 527 adults about nine hot button issues. Conservatives indicated that they believe their views are superior when it comes to voter identification laws, taxes and affirmative action. Liberals, on the other hand, said the same about their views on government aid for the needy, torture and not basing laws on religion.

Dr. Mark Leary, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Duke, concluded from the study: “Any time people hold an extreme position, even on a trivial issue, they seem to think that their views are better than anyone else’s.

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Did you miss it?

Leading CNNPolitics: Liz Cheney under 'values' attack in Wyoming Senate race
Liz Cheney's family name may not be enough to confirm conservative bona fides in Wyoming, with a new Super PAC attack ad alluding to liberal values for the Senate hopeful. "MSNBC. The go-to network for Barack Obama and Washington's liberal elites. So what's Liz Cheney doing here?" says the voiceover narration on the new TV commercial from the social-conservative American Principals Fund. – Bryan Koenig

Leading Drudge: Feel The Pain: Feds Throw Man, 80, And Wife, 77, Out Of Home
The government shutdown is being felt close to home for some locals. They say they're being forced out of private homes on Lake Mead because they sit on federal land. Joyce Spencer is 77-years-old and her husband Ralph is 80. They've been spending most of their time in the family ice cream store since going home isn't an option. – Jacqui Heinrich

Leading HuffPo: Tipping Point: Far-Right Republicans Face Trouble
The shutdown - which has already affected hundreds of thousands of federal employees and hit critical government programs - is bringing the Republican Party to a boiling point, angering GOP fundraisers and throwing a wrench in the works for the upcoming 2014 elections. – Ashley Alman

Leading Politico: Harry Reid talks tough, ramps up for 2016
Republicans are eager for November 2016 — and not just because Barack Obama’s presidency will be in its final days. It’s when Harry Reid, the man reviled by Republicans for his inflammatory rhetoric and hardball tactics during the government shutdown, could be booted from his Nevada Senate seat. Reid knows it — and he’s quietly plotting his plans more than three years out. – Manu Raju

Leading The New York Times: Supreme Court Has a Weighty Docket in Its New Term
Abortion, affirmative action, public prayer and campaign contributions are among the issues to be addressed in the new term, with chances for the justices to reverse precedents. – Adam Liptak

The political bites of the day

- Threatening default is over, says Obama economic advisor -
NATIONAL ECONOMIC COUNCIL DIRECTOR GENE SPERLING IN AN INTERVIEW WITH POLITICO: “The president has made clear that the era of threatening default has to be over. If we can get by the threatening of default… of course, the president has shown time and time again he is willing to negotiate.”

- Shutdown spills over into Senate chaplains prayers -
BARRY C. BLACK, THE SENATE CHAPLAIN, IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE NEW YORK TIMES: “I see us playing a very dangerous game. It’s like the showdown at the O.K. Corral. Who’s going to blink first? So I can’t help but have some of this spill over into my prayer. Because you’re hoping that something will get through and that cooler heads will prevail.”

Gut Check Full Service: One of those selected prayers… “Save us from the madness. … We acknowledge our transgressions, our shortcomings, our smugness, our selfishness and our pride. Deliver us from the hypocrisy of attempting to sound reasonable while being unreasonable.”

–Peter Bergen on the two weekend raids & the Obama Doctrine -
CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST PETER BERGEN IN AN INTERVIEW WITH CNN: “The two raids over the weekend show that President Obama remains very comfortable deploying special operations forces in countries the United States is not at war with as a means to combat terrorist groups, just as he is comfortable with the use of CIA drones for the same purpose in countries such as Pakistan and Yemen.”

- The Scalia legacy -
JENNIFER SENIOR, A WRITER FOR THE NEW YORK MAGAZINE: Fifty years from now, which decisions in your tenure do you think will be heroic?
SENIOR: Heroic.
SCALIA: Oh, my goodness. I have no idea. You know, for all I know, 50 years from now I may be the Justice Sutherland of the late-twentieth and early-21st century, who’s regarded as: ‘He was on the losing side of everything, an old fogey, the old view.’ And I don’t care.

- Native Americans call for end to name Redskins -
RAY HALBRITTER, ONEIDA INDIAN NATION REPRESENTATIVE, AT A PRESS CONFERENCE IN WASHINGTON, D.C.: “We are asking the NFL to stop using a racial slur as the name of Washington’s football team. As a proud sponsor of the NFL, the Oneida Nation has a vested interest in the league being a unifying force in communities throughout America. This name is not a unifying force – it's a divisive epithet.”

Gut Check Full Service: According to a Washington Post poll from June, two-thirds of people who live in the DC metropolitan area didn’t want the Redskins to change their name.

What stopped us in 140 characters or less

Deirdre Walsh (@deirdrewalshcnn)
Dent – "if had to cast blame" on #shutdown would be on Cruz – "Senator has no plan to get us out of the ditch"

Rebecca Berg (@rebeccagberg)
Oh no, not Freedom Fries again RT @AaronBlakeWP: GOP congressman on clean CR: 'We're not French. We don't surrender.'

Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports)
"Reid has put himself in charge of this whole thing and Obama is a non-player..." via @alexanderbolton. … #smashmouth

Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS)
@DouthatNYT one reason WH agreed to negotiate on debt limit in 2011 is they believed Rs had incentive to allow default, w/reelex coming

Marlena Baldacci (@MarlenaCNN)
After Bad Press and Confusion, Justice Department Restores Federal Amber Alert Website … #CNN

Callie Schweitzer (@cschweitz)
Coca-Cola plans kiosks with water and internet - calling it "a downtown in a box" Writers (@CNNWriters)
John Blake used to eagerly read comments on #religion stories. No more. It's just a bunch of "yo mama" jabs:


Before the presidency of Jimmy Carter, government shutdowns - or gaps in government funding - were not taken nearly as seriously as they are today.

Under Carter, the government shutdown five times. In each instance, many government workers continued to report to work despite the government being shutdown.

This practice stopped, however, after 1980, when Carter's Attorney General – Benjamin Civiletti – said government employees would be barred from working during a shutdown.

Some exceptions to this rule existed, for example, when a worker’s absence had "some reasonable and articulable connection between the function to be performed and the safety of human life or the protection of property."

Since then, government shutdowns have resulted in furloughed workers and diminished government services - something that didn't happen before 1980.

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Congrats to Steve Liguori (@SteveL3877) for correctly answering today’s Gut Check Trivia question.

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  1. Sniffit

    Mindless, autonomic adherence to a false equivalency paradigm in the desperate attempt to constantly prove your objectivity and that you're "unbiased" is, in an of itself, a form of bias, CNN.


    October 7, 2013 05:23 pm at 5:23 pm |
  2. Sniffit

    "Conservatives indicated that they believe their views are superior when it comes to voter identification laws, taxes and affirmative action. Liberals, on the other hand, said the same about their views on government aid for the needy, torture and not basing laws on religion."

    Aaaah, can you smell the false equivalence! All you have to do is block out the smell of legal precedent and the Constitution and then all of the above will smell the same. Go ahead, try it...hold your nostrils closed, envision a land where everyone is wearing a tinfoil hat and once you've reached your "balanced" zen state, let go of your nostrils....ahhh, yes, there we go....the belief in imaginary widespread voter fraud that needs to be prevented by ID systems that would disparately impact minorities, youth, urban residents and the elderly is 100% equal to the belief that religious dogma should not be written into our secular legal system. Wasn't that easy?

    October 7, 2013 05:28 pm at 5:28 pm |
  3. Sniffit

    "This sort of dogmatism – the “arrogant assertion of opinions as truths,” according to the study – is present with both Democrats and Republicans."

    Really? The belief that imaginary, disprove, epidemics of widespread voter fraud justify Voter ID laws written to disparately impact minorities, youth voters, urban residents and the elderly is "no different than" and "just as much of an opinion" as the belief that our Constitution prohibits religious dogma from being written into our secular laws?

    What an epic false equivalence turd you pinched there, Duke U. EPIC.

    October 7, 2013 05:30 pm at 5:30 pm |
  4. Sniffit

    "“Any time people hold an extreme position, even on a trivial issue, they seem to think that their views are better than anyone else’s.”"

    Except it's not an extreme position to believe that the gov't has no authority to enact laws incorporating religious dogma and that our Constitution prohibits it. Nor is it extreme to believe that imaginary, disproven myths of epidemic voter fraud justify Voter ID laws that have a measurably disparate impact on minorities, youth voters, urban resident and the elderly AND have been enacted with clear intent to do so. All Professor Leary appears to have proven is that when you characterize a well-informed, educated, reality-based opinion as equally extreme to the diametrically opposed extremist position, the rational, informed person holding it won't let it go, just like the extremist ideologue won't let his ideological dogma go. Whoopty do. Could've told you that without the NIH grant, fools.

    October 7, 2013 05:34 pm at 5:34 pm |
  5. Lynda/Minnesota


    I tried to respond to your comment. Apparently one is not allowed to say to say one is not "satisfied" with CNN coverage of late.

    October 7, 2013 05:36 pm at 5:36 pm |
  6. Sniffit

    Google this: Blueprint for Defunding Obamacare

    Yes, we are now living through the GOP/Teatrolls' planned and orchestrated response to Obama winning the election in 2012. They had this on the drawing board as their response to his re-election as early as December 2012. They want their end-run around democracy so bad that the destruction of your well-being is nothing more than unfortunate collateral damage to them.

    October 7, 2013 05:38 pm at 5:38 pm |
  7. The Ham

    Over half the county thinks our goverment is being run like crud... (all three branches)
    Good to know there are some thoughtful people left out there...
    Shocked it wasn't more like 90%...

    October 7, 2013 05:41 pm at 5:41 pm |
  8. Data Driven


    I've had that problem too today. I think it's because everybody's on to their inaccurate false equivalency meme.

    After all, it's a "debate".

    October 7, 2013 05:41 pm at 5:41 pm |
  9. L.Sanfod

    French? You have to be off the wall. GOP just remember" Seniors are the most avid voters. Miss just one social security payment and the GOP/TEA will be toast .Conservative seniors like their social security and medicare so republicans better see to it that it's not messed up. Republicans WILL take the blame.

    October 7, 2013 05:47 pm at 5:47 pm |
  10. Thomas

    Why won't CNN look into who made billions going short on America in the stock market today?

    Follow the MONEY !

    October 7, 2013 05:49 pm at 5:49 pm |
  11. tom l

    You can think that it's a false equivalency but it's not. The reason you believe it is that way is due to your hyper partisanship. This is on both sides. The fact is that either side, EITHER ONE, could end this. They choose not to. Negotiations are done all the time and have done for the debt limit many many times. He is not "negotiating with a gun to his head" unless you will say that every negotiation is that. You are just too caught up in the partisanship to see straight. Boehner could hold a vote and it would be over. Obama could cede to prioritization and our full faith and credit would not be damaged. It's on both of them.

    October 7, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  12. Thomas

    The GOP , they love making money on war and going short on America .

    The top 4% can sure profit on a shutdown .

    October 7, 2013 05:52 pm at 5:52 pm |
  13. Sniffit


    I tried to respond to your comment. Apparently one is not allowed to say to say one is not "satisfied" with CNN coverage of late."

    Yeah, had trouble posting today too. Ergo, the repeats above trying to change the post to get it past the filters.

    October 7, 2013 05:54 pm at 5:54 pm |
  14. tom l

    OMG. I knew it I knew it I knew it! So funny to hear the liberals here talk about repubs and their "talking points".

    For the past week all I have heard is the term "false equivalence"

    Then I googled that term and, lo and behold, I find Krugman use that term. I find a huge article in Time Magazine using that term. Too awesome. So, I guess the liberals have "talking points" too....

    October 7, 2013 05:56 pm at 5:56 pm |
  15. Scott

    All parties are to blame, vote the whole mess of them out. lets, get new blood in office.

    October 7, 2013 06:45 pm at 6:45 pm |
  16. Jeff Brown in Jersey

    Our country was formed out of an armed revolt. I hope the GOP doesn't force "A well armed militia" to remove these Republican traitors from power.

    October 7, 2013 08:55 pm at 8:55 pm |
  17. GI Joe

    59% of Independents very or somewhat angry at the Democrats, six in 10 angry at the GOP, and 58% angry at Obama.
    I hate when CNN pulls that. Why not just say 60% are angry at the GOP?

    It's like, 1,B,3...................It's deceiving.

    October 7, 2013 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm |
  18. Marie MD

    VIRGINIA voters remember that cuchimamma took Obamacare to the SCOTUS.
    Add to that his taking women's rights away and he might NOT be your answer to the va ginal probe governor either. He was for that also until he realized that it was not going that well for the gov.

    October 8, 2013 06:27 am at 6:27 am |