October 14th, 2013
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Manchin: Senate is 70%-80% close to a deal

Updated 10:32 a.m. ET, 10/14/2013

(CNN) – The Senate is 70% to 80% close to a deal to raise the debt ceiling and end the government shutdown, Sen. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, said Monday on CNN's "New Day."

"I think we're 70%-80% there, putting the extra 20-25% to it," he told CNN's Chris Cuomo. "When should the (continuing resolution) come due, when should the debt ceiling come due, and does that give that time for the budget conference, the budget committees to sit down and work through this? Those are the details that have to be worked out."

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Manchin and Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine over the weekend led a bipartisan group of 10 other senators to draft a plan that would end the ongoing stalemate in Washington. He said they have a "good template," and he believes both Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell are looking at the plan.

"We're making progress. We're gonna continue to meet throughout the day. And the conversations have been very constructive," Collins told reporters on Capitol Hill Monday morning. "We're not gonna release any details until we have an agreement. I hope we will have an agreement. We're making progress toward an agreement, but we're not there yet."

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Reid, however, rejected the plan on Saturday, saying it's "not going to go anyplace at this stage."

"There are two good things in it, "Reid said Saturday in a press conference. "Number one, it opens the government. Number two, it extends the debt ceiling. Other than that there's little agreement with us."

The Senate voted on a separate procedural measure to extend the debt limit with no strings attached on Saturday, but the measure fell short of the 60 votes needed to proceed.

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Collins said Sunday she "was very surprised" when she heard Reid make his decision about the bipartisan proposal.

"I was very surprised when Senator Reid said that, I don't know why he said it. I don't think it was very constructive," Collins said on CNN's "State of the Union with Candy Crowley." "But the fact is we have a responsibility to govern and we're continuing to talk and I'm still hopeful that at least we sparked a dialogue that did not exist before we put out a plan."

So what exactly was in their plan?

The framework called for a longer extension of the debt limit and government funding, as well as a two-year delay on the 2.3% tax on medical devices, which is used to help pay for the new federal health care law. The plan would also give federal agencies greater flexibility to deal with the forced spending cuts known as sequestration.

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Manchin further explained Monday the deal would include verification measures to prevent people from "scamming or frauding" the health care insurance system. According the agreement, the Senate and the House would go to conference to reconcile their differences and work out a long-term budget deal. The deadline for the budget conference, however, is one of the details in the plan that hasn't been worked out.

The Treasury Department says it will be unable to pay the government's bills unless the debt limit is increased by Thursday. The partial shutdown of government services has been in effect since October 1.

But a key sticking point for Democrats is sequestration. While the Collins' plan give "flexibility" on the spending cuts, Democrats and the White House don't want to agree to anything that allows another round of the spending limits to kick in as they're supposed to in mid-January, senior Democratic sources told CNN's Dana Bash.

McConnell, who faces a tea party primary challenge in his 2014 re-election bid, is pushing back hard against the Democrats' insistence to get rid of the currently scheduled spending cuts.

Republican Sen. Bob Corker, who's been working closely with Manchin and Collins on the deal, said he has reason to believe the Senate will come to an agreement Monday.

"I know Mitch and Harry are talking, and I think we're about to get to a place to move something hopefully off the Senate floor that's widely bipartisan," he told CNN.

While it may not "attract the fringe on either side" the agreement may allow lawmakers to "pass something off the Senate floor," he added.

The Senate reconvened briefly Sunday afternoon but adjourned with no signs of progress on a deal. The Senate meets again Monday at 2 p.m. ET, while the House meets at noon.

Before leaving Capitol Hill on Sunday, Reid struck a positive note as he spoke on the Senate floor.

"I've had a productive conversation with the Republican leader this afternoon. Our discussions were substantive and we'll continue those discussions. I'm optimistic about the prospects for a positive conclusion," he said.

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soundoff (216 Responses)
  1. aces2jokers

    So the question is still, "Who will blink first?".

    October 14, 2013 10:33 am at 10:33 am |
  2. Dorothy

    They could have had a deal a week ago. The votes are there. It's the tea party (lower case on purpose) who are stopping them. Democracy has been suspended!

    October 14, 2013 10:34 am at 10:34 am |
  3. enzo

    “We now know Obamacare was tax legislation. Consequently, it was undeniably a “bill for raising revenue,” for which the Constitution mandates compliance with the Origination Clause (Art. I, Sec. 7). The Clause requires that tax bills must originate in the HOUSE of Representatives. Obamacare did not,” obama care was PUSHED through by the SENATE it's not even constitutional.

    October 14, 2013 10:35 am at 10:35 am |
  4. Tom1940

    I do not know a whole lot about Sen. Manchin, other than he "shot" a target with his rifle to win his senate seat, "back when", then in the aftermath of the mass shootings, he is "for" gun control. A shift that smacks of "poll chasing" to be on the PC side of current issues. (Not a "considered" overview of what actually works and what does not).
    Now CNN is quoting Sen. Manchin in saying "both sides are close" in the CR/Debt Ceiling debate. That to me is like quoting (frequently by CNN), the utterances and heavy breathing of Sen. J. McCain – a failed Republican Presidential Candidate, in being the "voice" of the Republican Party", and speaking universally for it. (I think not!)
    Quoting Mitt Romney at this point carries about as much weight. A fine "personal opinion" perspective, however one that is "questionable" as to being chief spokesperson for the rank and file of the GOP.
    Does Sen. Manchin enjoy privy information to the workings of the Sen. Minority Leaders mind or of Sen. Harry Reid and the inner sanctum of his closest advisors? Perhaps yes! Perhaps no!. I just think it's interesting that CNN quotes a "run of the mill" Senator, instead of getting their facts straight from the horses mouth, instead of some other part of that horses anatomy.

    October 14, 2013 10:35 am at 10:35 am |
  5. dan

    why isn't anyone asking how much we've saved by shutting down so far. Or the better question. Where is the money going now that was being spent on everything thats shut down.

    October 14, 2013 10:37 am at 10:37 am |
  6. Jack

    Mr. Manchin and Ms. Collins I like, respectful even when they have differing opinions. I have never hear either make stupid outlandish statements like Bachmann, Paul, Cruz (Rush Limbaugh clones) and the rest tea partier's (neo-psuedo conservatives)

    October 14, 2013 10:38 am at 10:38 am |
  7. Darwin

    The Repub/Tea Party Mantra:
    More $$$ for BOMBS – CUT children's healthcare
    More $$$ for MISSILES – CUT Medicaid
    More $$$ for SECRET SNOOPING ON AMERICANS – CUT National Parks budget
    More $$$ for PLAYING NANNY around the world – CUT Federal food inspection budget
    More $$$ for MORE YEARS IN AFGHANISTAN – CUT Education
    This will certainly keep the Repubs' military contractor buddies VERY happy!

    October 14, 2013 10:41 am at 10:41 am |
  8. Gregory

    Too bad we can not cut out Section 8 rental housing vouchers with the government shutdowns. The ghetto folks will leave and crime will drop big time.

    October 14, 2013 10:42 am at 10:42 am |
  9. Edw

    What is 70 to 80%?? What does that mean? I suppose for one thing it means "no deal".

    October 14, 2013 10:42 am at 10:42 am |
  10. Peter01605

    There seems to be a straight line between the Government shutdown and the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision that passes right through the Koch brothers and the Tea Party. Too many millionaires thinking they are always the smartest one in the room for the Citizen's United court decision to have been good for the country.

    October 14, 2013 10:42 am at 10:42 am |
  11. Tad1950

    Harry Reid is an old dinosaur and a dam in the river to compromises and needs to go. Nevada did not do a good job sending him back to Washington. It's time to stop standing your ground, compromise on what is good for a majority of the citizens and move forward. Get over your posturing!

    October 14, 2013 10:44 am at 10:44 am |
  12. JB

    Hope you enjoyed your 2 week vacation with pay government workers. What a joke.

    October 14, 2013 10:45 am at 10:45 am |
  13. Sosueme

    Let me get this straight – we are going to delay the tax used to pay for the Affordable Care Act and not replace the revenue lost? How is this going to help anything?

    October 14, 2013 10:45 am at 10:45 am |
  14. Rick

    The concept of not the debt ceiling should not be so difficult to understand. The United States of America has spent money which has been borrowed, we can borrow at a very low interest rate because everyone is confident it is a safe bet and we will pay it back on time, with interests. Should we do not pay such then the risk people would take lending money to the United States would be deemed to be greater. This would immediately result in a higher interest rate which would represent indefinite and ongoing higher payments for the people of the United States on their debt. Don’t we need to avoid this?

    October 14, 2013 10:45 am at 10:45 am |
  15. Notadolt

    Manchin and Collins have shown to be consistently wise and effective leaders–the type the nation needs for president. Harry Reid should do the decent thing and resign...

    October 14, 2013 10:45 am at 10:45 am |
  16. KBNJ

    "I will not negotiate" = "I am shutting down the government"

    October 14, 2013 10:46 am at 10:46 am |
  17. NameGoose

    Obama and H. Reid need to go! Never again should a democrat be President of are country. Not only is Obama stupid but he definitely is lacking when it comes to Presidental Leadership. Never has are country been in such a huge mess. When you are President, you are suppose to be President to all the people. Obama has made it known that he is President only to the blacks of this country. Very sickening!

    October 14, 2013 10:46 am at 10:46 am |
  18. What Now

    We need more like Manchin. We need more working together instead of spending their time out stirring up extemist groups just to make a name for themselves. Less finger-pointing and more working it out!

    October 14, 2013 10:48 am at 10:48 am |
  19. Hillcrester

    Delaying the medical devices tax is ok with me, but replacement funds for those two years must be included. No dimishment of what is needed to make the ACA work!

    October 14, 2013 10:49 am at 10:49 am |
  20. Kevin Collesano

    It's comical the way the Congress puts on this comical spectacle in an attempt to distract everyone from looking at the financial situation seriously. This whole shutdown... just one major distraction for them to look like they in the final minutes before the default deadline they can make themselves look like they saved they day by once again inflating our worthless toilet paper of a dollar.... "OH BOY WE'RE 80% THERE.... JUST GOTTA GET THAT EXTRA 20% BEFORE THE AMERICANS EXPECT AN ANSWER SO THAT THEY THINK WE DID GOOD." Lies lies lies lies lies lies.

    October 14, 2013 10:50 am at 10:50 am |
  21. Cecil

    It will be up to the wire. Sadly a compromise is not based on the goid of the country but if peoplevlike McConell can get reelected.

    October 14, 2013 10:50 am at 10:50 am |
  22. teabags shall lead us

    let's go with the tea plan
    capitulate, roll over and die.
    a lot like their medical heath plan.
    a disconnect from reality will set you free!

    October 14, 2013 10:51 am at 10:51 am |
  23. JohnRJohnson

    Joe Manchin is an idiot. I wouldn't listen to word he says. He knows NOTHING!

    October 14, 2013 10:51 am at 10:51 am |
  24. tom

    That's the Senate that may (or may not) be 70-80% there. The House has always been the problem. We're not even close to a resolution.

    October 14, 2013 10:51 am at 10:51 am |
  25. Bob

    Why are we still waiting around for Republicans to do their job?

    October 14, 2013 10:52 am at 10:52 am |
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