November 5th, 2013
07:24 AM ET
9 years ago
Debunking 4 Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong
Washington (CNN) - For four years, we've witnessed a non-stop political donnybrook over Obamacare.
Now rhetoric has again reached a fever pitch since the botched October 1 launch of the new insurance exchanges at the heart of President Barack Obama's signature health care reforms.
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The Dem socialists simply are attempting to bring America to its knees, and destroy it from within. That is the single undeniable TRUTH!
Data, rs, Wake Up, Mallory, DMFO (If it's not too early in the week for you ;), Sniffit, Real TP, Ol Yeller, Tampa Tim:
Then – "If you like your plan, you can keep it. Period"
Now – "if you really liked your plan, what we said was you could keep it, if it hasn't changed since the law passed."
Please tell me how you rectify this. Be focused. Don't blame repubs or the TEA Party or a single payer system. Just tell me how you can trust him when he has so blatently lied. Or maybe you don't feel that he lied and I'm trying to figure out how it can be viewed any other way. So if you don't feel he lied, then why don't you feel that way? I'm open to understanding how this is even possible.
I have always felt that the 6 month sign up period was way too short. They would need to enroll more than 50,000 people a day in order to reach 10 million people. The errors with the web site go way past unforgiveable. The problems demonstrate a degree of programming incompetence that you have to wonder if someone purposely sabotaged the whole thing.
republicans should take the blame for scaring people and doing everything they can to destroy this law. Instead they should be helping people to receive health care .They have under mind every program ,bill and appointee this president has presented. Why some where ideas presented at on time by republicans. Like the AFC. Think about the American people first .
Rudy NYC
The errors with the web site go way past unforgiveable. The problems demonstrate a degree of programming incompetence that you have to wonder if someone purposely sabotaged the whole thing.
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At the risk of being accused of "spouting conspiracy theories" by the scandal mongers on the right, I admit I've thought the same thing on occasion.
@tom l,
"Please tell me"
Yeah, well, please tell me when you're going to stop asking all of us questions all the time and bring an actual argument to the table. Start here: go find out why you, a 44 year old man, is paying for maternity insurance. Go find the reason, come back here, and devastate us with your arguments as to why it's such an injustice.
@Tom I, it's actually fairly simple. Obama is not an expert in health insurance coverage. He has hundreds of advisors. These advisors also have many advisors. If 66 advisors tell Obama one thing and 44 tell him another, Obama has to decide which one to believe. Sometimes his choice can be wrong, sometimes the advice is bad. This doesn't make him a liar. Why would he lie, knowing what a mess a lie would make. He obviously acted on poor advice! I'm sure Rudy or Data or one of the other logical thinkers could explain this better.
tom l, every year people were forced to change doctors when insurance changed, and no one on the Right complained. The only thing that has changed is that people are not forced to accept crappy insurance. The fact is, you can keep your doctor, but the standards of what is considered acceptable insurance have changed. Will this happen in the blink of an eye? Of course not, but its far better than the situation I ahve been dealing with for the last year, which was getting a cut-rate policy through my employer that saw the cost of my son's medications increase. I do trust him more than I trust a group of insuirance execs, who took my hard-earned money every year and proceeded to cut my coverage, all while telling me that meds and therapy my son needed in order to function were either going up in price, or he was being denied. Now he cannot be denied. For that reason alone, i will trust him over the insurance execs who robbed me and my wife and kept us up at night. When I was underemployed for almost 3 years between 2002 and 2005, we were forced onto my wife's employer( ironically, a medical practice): the cost of quarterly payments combined with my son's meds drove us to the brink of bankruptcy. Now, through a new career and our hard work, we have battled back, and the help Oabma has thrown to families like mine means I will take his word over the people who's idea of 'freedom" almost pushed me into backruptcy. It was over health insurance and access to affordable care. There are always qualifiers in every private plan, so why is this a surprise?
Rudy NYC
I have always felt that the 6 month sign up period was way too short. They would need to enroll more than 50,000 people a day in order to reach 10 million people. The errors with the web site go way past unforgiveable. The problems demonstrate a degree of programming incompetence that you have to wonder if someone purposely sabotaged the whole thing.
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Nah... all they need to do is give out "power user" authority to everyone. Oh wait... that won't work either. Guess you were wrong – again.
tom l.
Please tell me how you rectify this. Be focused. Don't blame repubs or the TEA Party or a single payer system. Just tell me how you can trust him when he has so blatently lied. Or maybe you don't feel that he lied and I'm trying to figure out how it can be viewed any other way. So if you don't feel he lied, then why don't you feel that way? I'm open to understanding how this is even possible.
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He was speaking mostly about the private market, not health plan provided through your place of employment. If your employer decides to alter his plan offerings, then there is very little that the employee an do about it. Many employers have been modifying their plans for decades, especially the smaller businesses.
Besides, insurers have been modifying and discontinuing healh plans for decades. The right wing simply wants to blame every little hiccup on the ACA. We know that. Americans know it, too. They also know that the rate of increase in premiums from year to year has slowed down by half, for most people, since the ACA was passed.
Is CNN going to start reporting on how insurance companies like LifeWise (a subsidiary of Blue Cross/Blue Shield) and Humana are sending misleading letters to their policyholders about what their options are, guiding these policyholders to the most expensive coverage offered by those same companies and not explaining the options offered by the law? Is CNN going to report that the state of Kentucky has already fined Humana for this nonsense back in August? Probably not, because CNN takes advertising dollars from Humana.
While CNN accuses the President of lying, the insurance companies who pay CNN's bills are busily going about their business of sabotaging Obamacare.
Get your health insurance news elsewhere, readers.
@The Real Tom Pain, you are obviously a good man. Always excellent comments! I wish you and your family well!!
@ Rudy NYC
The signing period of 6 months was set in order to meet a certain goal. The ACA is here to stay. The gov. will prolong it as long as all people do benefit from it. That is the meaning. Of course there must be a starting point, which is 6 months. I watched today a nice video prepared by New York Times which they obtained from Kentucky, Oh! boy! ACA once kicks in, a big number if not the majority will fall in love with it. Some people have showed their appreciation already.
"For four years, we've witnessed a non-stop political donnybrook over Obamacare."
I am curious as to where it is we have "witnessed a non-stop political donnybrook" over Obamacare? Or why.
Yeah I know. Snark. And hypocrisy.
Obamacare is what happens when political science majors try to take control of 18% of the U.S. economy.
I don't like my plan but its grandfathered in so I'm stuck with it since the company pays for it and they like it 'cause it's cheap. The $5,000 deductible and not paying one cent until you hit $5,000 out of pocket bites.
ST wrote:
@ Rudy NYC
The signing period of 6 months was set in order to meet a certain goal. The ACA is here to stay. The gov. will prolong it as long as all people do benefit from it. That is the meaning. Of course there must be a starting point, which is 6 months. I watched today a nice video prepared by New York Times which they obtained from Kentucky, Oh! boy! ACA once kicks in, a big number if not the majority will fall in love with it. Some people have showed their appreciation already.
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The web site wasn't even robust enough to handle the projected volume of concurrent logged-in users to meet the enrollment goals that they had set. I think they should have had this thing online at least a year ago, so that people could enroll and shop around. Perhaps, no actual purchases could be made until the final six months. I know hindsight is 20:20, but it's as if no one had any foresight, nor given it sufficient thought to make sure that goals can be met.
If You Like Your Plan You Can Keep It
Obamacare is what happens when political science majors try to take control of 18% of the U.S. economy.
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The Great Depression and The Great Recession is what happens when conservatives are given control of the government.
@Rick McDaniel, truth is your Bush, Reagan already destroyed this nation, nothing further to destroy any more. At least be glad it is now recuperating from their Blow. Stocks are living proof and our Dollar too. ACA is a Law. End of the Argument.
@If You Like Your Plan,
"Obamacare is what happens when political science majors try to take control of 18% of the U.S. economy."
So what happens? Better health insurance?
-the hippies were right
@The Real Tom Pain, you are obviously a good man. Always excellent comments! I wish you and your family well!!
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Likewise. I feel badly for the people who have been dropped, but hopefully they are looking at better options. Will everyone be facing an ideal situation? Nope, and its foolish to think so. In a world where the ideological blinkers people wear prevent us from even considering other viewpoints, its important to keep in mind that there is a person and a story behind every post here. I just wish all the posts were genuine.
Wow,
Old Gunderson see why Insurance Companies cancel all those Policies. To get more money to fund all those that now have no Insurance and can't pay. When you sign back up, you pay more, much more. But big problem. People out of work, curtisey of Obama Care.Not enough money. Where have we heard that before. Liberal's want more Taxes to pay. Conservatives say Take a Hike. You got your Taxes. Now want raise debt ceiling. Ok, we need some real cuts somewhere else. Liberal's Baulk. Stalemate. No funds for Obama Care. What else new. CLUE: Get rid Obama Care!
tom l
It is too early for me tom l.
If I really, really felt that it would make a difference to you I'd engage.
But the truth is that you're still tripping about not being preggers and having maternity leave that you will never use, as if this plan had been tailor made just for you
Not even disingenous. Just another fishing expedition.
I don't fish.
I watched today a nice video prepared by New York Times which they obtained from Kentucky, Oh! boy! ACA once kicks in, a big number if not the majority will fall in love with it. Some people have showed their appreciation already.
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Thanks for the heads up ST!
VIRGINIA!!! VOTE!!!!
don't know about all the so called "myths" are about.....but I know one thing that's a fact.......There will be more Doctors in the field, especially coming from other countries. The Dr.s that are dropping out of the new AHCA act, is because it's going to hurt their bottom line. In other words, instead of making a 6 or 7 figure income, they will be making a 5 or 6 figure income, especially when there is a flood of people coming into the medical field, from other countries. They will be tickled to death to make that kind of money.