Monday is the deadline tor residents of most states to sign up for Obamacare if they want coverage starting January 1. And that's a big deal - for two reasons:
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and saw Joe and Mika on their pajamas in support of Obamacare. Well done both. I am so grateful and appreciative of this action. I know some will attack you wearing pajamas at work, BUT if the late Michael Jackson was allowed to enter the Court with his pajamas, why not you at place of work?
December 23, 2013 10:41 am at 10:41 am |
daviddavid
Obamacare is a FAILURE, just like its name sake. Nov 2014 will end it completely.
December 23, 2013 10:45 am at 10:45 am |
Sniffit
"they have done numerous stories on both the positive "
No they haven't. I've yet to see a single story in the past week about the enormous surge in enrollments on the federal exchange (500,000+ in the first 3 weeks of December, currently 50,000 per day) or the fact that states like CA (15,000 per day) and NY (4,500 per day) and others are signing people up very rapidly. Those numbers threaten to destroy the nontroversy. Moreover, they report nothing about the GOP/Teatrolls blocking 5M people from obtaining Medicaid through the expansion. Instead, it's a daily melange of "Teatroll so-and-so yelled and screamed and criticized the ACA in this way" and "polls say people not happy." When the website was a mess, it was 5-10 stories on it per day. Now CNN can't avoid the enrollment numbers fast enough. They report nothing about the fake ACA websites Teatrolls have set up that pretend to be providing "help" for people but contain nothing but misinformation and rhetoric designed to scare people away from signing up...nor do they report on the GOP/Teatrolls' vast efforts to hamper the ACA's implementation, going so far as to enact laws designed to make it impossible for navigators to help people or even trying to nullify federal law. Sure, CNN hasn't quite gone the way of Faux in taking an active role in selling GOP/Teatroll propaganda, but what CNN DOESN'T do is just as biased.
December 23, 2013 10:49 am at 10:49 am |
tom l
@Sniffit
"blah blah blah about the enormous surge in enrollments on the federal exchange (500,000+ in the first 3 weeks of December, currently 50,000 per day) or the fact that states like CA (15,000 per day) and NY (4,500 per day) and others are signing people up very rapidly blah blah blah"
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So you're touting something that people have been forced by the government to do and find that to be a success?
December 23, 2013 10:54 am at 10:54 am |
Mungo
I would like to see CNN do some reporting on the role of the EXISTING free, low-cost, and sliding scale clinics in providing health care to the uninsured and underinsured. They could throw in a study of the role of the state supported high-risk pools which provided health insurance to the uninsurables. No media analysis of the health care "problem" EVER discusses these existing safety net solutions.
December 23, 2013 10:54 am at 10:54 am |
Sniffit
"They are just following the government orders. The lack of success is clearly demonstrated through how many are not signing up."
I can't wait to see your faces in March. But hey, at least the GOP/Teatrolls secured about 5M people they have prevented from signing up and obtaining anything because they refused to expand Medicaid. That's a sweet victory for you guys, eh? You'll have a sweet little boost to the "uninsured" numbers you get to yell about later, right? And while you're yelling "it didn't work for 7M people", everyone knows CNN and the MSM will ignore that 5M of them were directly attributable to the GOP/Teatrolls' temper tantrums and spite.
December 23, 2013 10:55 am at 10:55 am |
SMITTY
If you cant understand basic math than you want Obammacare, It just wont work. Why didn't they work on the uninsured issue instead of messing with everybody elses insurance???? All this supposedly bright minds in D>C ???
Its scary when the GOP told you this would happen>
Just,rife with fraud, you mean the type of fraud committed by rick scotts company, that drives up the cost for all?
December 23, 2013 11:00 am at 11:00 am |
SMITTY
@Snif and tampa, good luck !!! Quit blaming everyone else for the preses faults. The GOP tried to stop this mess. No one listened now live with the BIGGEST LIAR OF THE YEAR failed policies, as far as positive stories about obammacare, they are few, this thing just doesn't work PERIOD.
Tom, when the fine is 95$, yup, big incentive, foolishness.
December 23, 2013 11:03 am at 11:03 am |
Sniffit
"So you're touting something that people have been forced by the government to do and find that to be a success?"
Yawn. Nobody's forcing anything. It's still cheaper not to sign up and people are free to make that choice and pay the fine. You and the rest of the silly conservatives here even tried to push and sell that fact and encourage people to do just that, pay the fine that's smaller than the premiums and not sign up and "hahaha, we've shown you by remaining uninsured, haven't we!!!" Now you want to claim that the only reason there's a surge in enrollment is because people would be fined? THE FINE IS SMALLER. Do the freekin math. Polls have consistently shown large majorities of the uninsured WANTED INSURANCE. The website was broken and you tried to claim that nobody was signing up because they didn't want it...but clearly, it was because the website was broken. Is this what conservatives were telling themselves so they could sleep at night while 40M+ people went without health insurance and access to medical care...that none of them wanted it anyway? You guys are fools. Complete and utter fools. And watching this play out to prove it, again, is going to be glorious.
December 23, 2013 11:05 am at 11:05 am |
Sniffit
"I would like to see CNN do some reporting on the role of the EXISTING free, low-cost, and sliding scale clinics in providing health care to the uninsured and underinsured. They could throw in a study of the role of the state supported high-risk pools which provided health insurance to the uninsurables. No media analysis of the health care "problem" EVER discusses these existing safety net solutions."
If you think data, numbers and a thorough understanding of the existence of those "solutions" were not part of what went not designing the ACA, then you clearly know very little about the experts who did it.
Yup, their spending thousands on healthcare to avoid a $95 fine, right, all your arguments are the same, uninformed or intentional lies, and that fits the gop mantra perfectly. Nonsense, 24/7.
December 23, 2013 11:07 am at 11:07 am |
Hector Slagg
I am hearing rumors of a State iniated Constutional Convention. It is way past time to re-visit many things that are out dated or just plain destructive. The Country can't just keep running up the National Debt with no end in sight. Not is Obama Care is not only Un Constutional but as stupid as the day is long. Get rid of it.
And CNN, clearly not biased, how many benghazi stories bashing the dems? And how many stories when they found out the main player was a complete fraud? Nope, not biased at all.
December 23, 2013 11:11 am at 11:11 am |
Thomas
Please put an end to this attempt at making Healthcare Affordable.
Think of how devastated my retired brother in Law feels . How will he continue to keep his four homes , two vacation condos , 2 BMW's , 2 Porsche' s , travel the world and hit golf balls at the Olympic club three times a week ?
We need to return to the same old high priced corrupt Insurance coverage that made America the bright shining city upon the hill.
December 23, 2013 11:12 am at 11:12 am |
tom l
"They are just following the government orders. The lack of success is clearly demonstrated through how many are not signing up."
I can't wait to see your faces in March. But hey, at least the GOP/Teatrolls secured about 5M people they have prevented from signing up and obtaining anything because they refused to expand Medicaid. That's a sweet victory for you guys, eh? You'll have a sweet little boost to the "uninsured" numbers you get to yell about later, right? And while you're yelling "it didn't work for 7M people", everyone knows CNN and the MSM will ignore that 5M of them were directly attributable to the GOP/Teatrolls' temper tantrums and spite.
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Do you guys ever take responsibility for anything? Why is it always always the other guy's fault?
And while you talk about "preventing people from getting insurance because a governor decided not to take on that expansion of Medicaid" you do realize the consequences for accepting that expansion, don't you? Naaaaah, you don't. Because everything in life is free as long as it goes through the government.
December 23, 2013 11:24 am at 11:24 am |
tom l
@Sniffit
"Yawn. Nobody's forcing anything."
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Ummm, perhaps you might want to take that one back. Force is the foundation for the law, as you have said countless times (because without the mandate the law doesn't work).
December 23, 2013 11:25 am at 11:25 am |
Rudy NYC
daviddavid wrote:
Only a disingenuous propaganda artist like Melissa Harris Perry could claim that Obamacare is now a racist term after it was invented by the liberal media she is a part of. .......Liberals live on hipocrisy like newborns do breastmilk.
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Well, gee, just blame liberals for every underhanded move the right wing makes. I cannot speak about MHP, but I will tell you that the term "Obamacare" was a product of the right wing's misinformation, media machine. Pres. Obama never used the term until during the 2012 presidential campaign trail, when he embraced the name, which was terrible tactical error, IMHO.
December 23, 2013 11:31 am at 11:31 am |
Sniffit
" the consequences for accepting that expansion, don't you?"
100% federal coverage of the costs for 3 years and 90% coverage of the costs until 2024, at which point it is estimated that any state that responsibly approaches implementing their expansion will be able to afford it just fine? 5M additional people with insurance contributing to the spreading of risk and not seeking health care via the ER and causing prices to rise for everyone else? Yeah, horrible. Reality is, and this has been borne out by statements the GOP/Teatrolls have made in those states: they hope the refusal will force the poor to move out of their red state and go to blue states where they can get Medicaid, thus protecting the redness of their red state by forcing the poor to "self-deport."
December 23, 2013 11:34 am at 11:34 am |
Sniffit
"Ummm, perhaps you might want to take that one back. Force is the foundation for the law, as you have said countless times (because without the mandate the law doesn't work)."
The law gives you a choice: buy it or pay a fine. That's coercive, but not "forcing." I know, I know, you like to make it sound draconian and tyrannical as possible, implying that someone is holding a gun to everyone's heads, but the fine costs far far less than premiums will, so for those who have a real problem with it, they can make the easy economic decision and not enroll. Just so happens, most people who were uninsured wanted insurance and would rather be covered, have their families covered, not be at risk of medical cost bankruptcy or being unprepared and unable to get treatment if some bad diagnostic news comes along, than those who think it's wonderfully clever to remain uninsured and thereby somehow "show them all who's smarter." Yeah, you'll sure show us when you've been forced to mortgage your home for chemo and it's being foreclosed and you might not survive anyway because your lack of insurance or interest in regular medical treatment meant it was caught too late. Wicked Smaht.
December 23, 2013 11:40 am at 11:40 am |
Rudy NYC
daviddavid
Obamacare is a FAILURE, just like its name sake. Nov 2014 will end it completely.
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....and once the right wing ends "Obamacare", then what? While millions of people may be seeing their old policies revised and updated [not cancelled, companies are kicking customers to the curb, the way right tells it], the right wing's plan seems to be to simply deny even more millions health care coverage altogether.
Republican governers are already denying health care coverage to nearly 5 million people because they refuse to expand Medicare, one million in Texas alone. America is going to wake up to the argument of self-inflicted pain that the Republicans and the entire right wing has been making. The right has been paying millions on ads that discourage people from obtaining any sort of health care coverage, America. It is their goal to "cut health care costs" by simply spending less, which means denying health care coverage to millions.
December 23, 2013 11:42 am at 11:42 am |
Rudy NYC
"Do you guys ever take responsibility for anything? Why is it always always the other guy's fault?"
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It is a demonstrated fact that conservatives will not take any responsibility for anything, not even when they're caught red-handed. Deny and deflect is their strategy, which is exactly what your post makes a feeble attempt to do.
I was watching Morning Joe this morning and saw Joe and Mika on their pajamas in support of Obamacare. Well done both. I am so grateful and appreciative of this action. I know some will attack you wearing pajamas at work, BUT if the late Michael Jackson was allowed to enter the Court with his pajamas, why not you at place of work?
Obamacare is a FAILURE, just like its name sake. Nov 2014 will end it completely.
"they have done numerous stories on both the positive "
No they haven't. I've yet to see a single story in the past week about the enormous surge in enrollments on the federal exchange (500,000+ in the first 3 weeks of December, currently 50,000 per day) or the fact that states like CA (15,000 per day) and NY (4,500 per day) and others are signing people up very rapidly. Those numbers threaten to destroy the nontroversy. Moreover, they report nothing about the GOP/Teatrolls blocking 5M people from obtaining Medicaid through the expansion. Instead, it's a daily melange of "Teatroll so-and-so yelled and screamed and criticized the ACA in this way" and "polls say people not happy." When the website was a mess, it was 5-10 stories on it per day. Now CNN can't avoid the enrollment numbers fast enough. They report nothing about the fake ACA websites Teatrolls have set up that pretend to be providing "help" for people but contain nothing but misinformation and rhetoric designed to scare people away from signing up...nor do they report on the GOP/Teatrolls' vast efforts to hamper the ACA's implementation, going so far as to enact laws designed to make it impossible for navigators to help people or even trying to nullify federal law. Sure, CNN hasn't quite gone the way of Faux in taking an active role in selling GOP/Teatroll propaganda, but what CNN DOESN'T do is just as biased.
@Sniffit
"blah blah blah about the enormous surge in enrollments on the federal exchange (500,000+ in the first 3 weeks of December, currently 50,000 per day) or the fact that states like CA (15,000 per day) and NY (4,500 per day) and others are signing people up very rapidly blah blah blah"
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So you're touting something that people have been forced by the government to do and find that to be a success?
I would like to see CNN do some reporting on the role of the EXISTING free, low-cost, and sliding scale clinics in providing health care to the uninsured and underinsured. They could throw in a study of the role of the state supported high-risk pools which provided health insurance to the uninsurables. No media analysis of the health care "problem" EVER discusses these existing safety net solutions.
"They are just following the government orders. The lack of success is clearly demonstrated through how many are not signing up."
I can't wait to see your faces in March. But hey, at least the GOP/Teatrolls secured about 5M people they have prevented from signing up and obtaining anything because they refused to expand Medicaid. That's a sweet victory for you guys, eh? You'll have a sweet little boost to the "uninsured" numbers you get to yell about later, right? And while you're yelling "it didn't work for 7M people", everyone knows CNN and the MSM will ignore that 5M of them were directly attributable to the GOP/Teatrolls' temper tantrums and spite.
If you cant understand basic math than you want Obammacare, It just wont work. Why didn't they work on the uninsured issue instead of messing with everybody elses insurance???? All this supposedly bright minds in D>C ???
Its scary when the GOP told you this would happen>
Just,rife with fraud, you mean the type of fraud committed by rick scotts company, that drives up the cost for all?
@Snif and tampa, good luck !!! Quit blaming everyone else for the preses faults. The GOP tried to stop this mess. No one listened now live with the BIGGEST LIAR OF THE YEAR failed policies, as far as positive stories about obammacare, they are few, this thing just doesn't work PERIOD.
Tom, when the fine is 95$, yup, big incentive, foolishness.
"So you're touting something that people have been forced by the government to do and find that to be a success?"
Yawn. Nobody's forcing anything. It's still cheaper not to sign up and people are free to make that choice and pay the fine. You and the rest of the silly conservatives here even tried to push and sell that fact and encourage people to do just that, pay the fine that's smaller than the premiums and not sign up and "hahaha, we've shown you by remaining uninsured, haven't we!!!" Now you want to claim that the only reason there's a surge in enrollment is because people would be fined? THE FINE IS SMALLER. Do the freekin math. Polls have consistently shown large majorities of the uninsured WANTED INSURANCE. The website was broken and you tried to claim that nobody was signing up because they didn't want it...but clearly, it was because the website was broken. Is this what conservatives were telling themselves so they could sleep at night while 40M+ people went without health insurance and access to medical care...that none of them wanted it anyway? You guys are fools. Complete and utter fools. And watching this play out to prove it, again, is going to be glorious.
"I would like to see CNN do some reporting on the role of the EXISTING free, low-cost, and sliding scale clinics in providing health care to the uninsured and underinsured. They could throw in a study of the role of the state supported high-risk pools which provided health insurance to the uninsurables. No media analysis of the health care "problem" EVER discusses these existing safety net solutions."
If you think data, numbers and a thorough understanding of the existence of those "solutions" were not part of what went not designing the ACA, then you clearly know very little about the experts who did it.
Yup, their spending thousands on healthcare to avoid a $95 fine, right, all your arguments are the same, uninformed or intentional lies, and that fits the gop mantra perfectly. Nonsense, 24/7.
I am hearing rumors of a State iniated Constutional Convention. It is way past time to re-visit many things that are out dated or just plain destructive. The Country can't just keep running up the National Debt with no end in sight. Not is Obama Care is not only Un Constutional but as stupid as the day is long. Get rid of it.
And CNN, clearly not biased, how many benghazi stories bashing the dems? And how many stories when they found out the main player was a complete fraud? Nope, not biased at all.
Please put an end to this attempt at making Healthcare Affordable.
Think of how devastated my retired brother in Law feels . How will he continue to keep his four homes , two vacation condos , 2 BMW's , 2 Porsche' s , travel the world and hit golf balls at the Olympic club three times a week ?
We need to return to the same old high priced corrupt Insurance coverage that made America the bright shining city upon the hill.
"They are just following the government orders. The lack of success is clearly demonstrated through how many are not signing up."
I can't wait to see your faces in March. But hey, at least the GOP/Teatrolls secured about 5M people they have prevented from signing up and obtaining anything because they refused to expand Medicaid. That's a sweet victory for you guys, eh? You'll have a sweet little boost to the "uninsured" numbers you get to yell about later, right? And while you're yelling "it didn't work for 7M people", everyone knows CNN and the MSM will ignore that 5M of them were directly attributable to the GOP/Teatrolls' temper tantrums and spite.
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Do you guys ever take responsibility for anything? Why is it always always the other guy's fault?
And while you talk about "preventing people from getting insurance because a governor decided not to take on that expansion of Medicaid" you do realize the consequences for accepting that expansion, don't you? Naaaaah, you don't. Because everything in life is free as long as it goes through the government.
@Sniffit
"Yawn. Nobody's forcing anything."
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Ummm, perhaps you might want to take that one back. Force is the foundation for the law, as you have said countless times (because without the mandate the law doesn't work).
daviddavid wrote:
Only a disingenuous propaganda artist like Melissa Harris Perry could claim that Obamacare is now a racist term after it was invented by the liberal media she is a part of. .......Liberals live on hipocrisy like newborns do breastmilk.
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Well, gee, just blame liberals for every underhanded move the right wing makes. I cannot speak about MHP, but I will tell you that the term "Obamacare" was a product of the right wing's misinformation, media machine. Pres. Obama never used the term until during the 2012 presidential campaign trail, when he embraced the name, which was terrible tactical error, IMHO.
" the consequences for accepting that expansion, don't you?"
100% federal coverage of the costs for 3 years and 90% coverage of the costs until 2024, at which point it is estimated that any state that responsibly approaches implementing their expansion will be able to afford it just fine? 5M additional people with insurance contributing to the spreading of risk and not seeking health care via the ER and causing prices to rise for everyone else? Yeah, horrible. Reality is, and this has been borne out by statements the GOP/Teatrolls have made in those states: they hope the refusal will force the poor to move out of their red state and go to blue states where they can get Medicaid, thus protecting the redness of their red state by forcing the poor to "self-deport."
"Ummm, perhaps you might want to take that one back. Force is the foundation for the law, as you have said countless times (because without the mandate the law doesn't work)."
The law gives you a choice: buy it or pay a fine. That's coercive, but not "forcing." I know, I know, you like to make it sound draconian and tyrannical as possible, implying that someone is holding a gun to everyone's heads, but the fine costs far far less than premiums will, so for those who have a real problem with it, they can make the easy economic decision and not enroll. Just so happens, most people who were uninsured wanted insurance and would rather be covered, have their families covered, not be at risk of medical cost bankruptcy or being unprepared and unable to get treatment if some bad diagnostic news comes along, than those who think it's wonderfully clever to remain uninsured and thereby somehow "show them all who's smarter." Yeah, you'll sure show us when you've been forced to mortgage your home for chemo and it's being foreclosed and you might not survive anyway because your lack of insurance or interest in regular medical treatment meant it was caught too late. Wicked Smaht.
daviddavid
Obamacare is a FAILURE, just like its name sake. Nov 2014 will end it completely.
-------------------
....and once the right wing ends "Obamacare", then what? While millions of people may be seeing their old policies revised and updated [not cancelled, companies are kicking customers to the curb, the way right tells it], the right wing's plan seems to be to simply deny even more millions health care coverage altogether.
Republican governers are already denying health care coverage to nearly 5 million people because they refuse to expand Medicare, one million in Texas alone. America is going to wake up to the argument of self-inflicted pain that the Republicans and the entire right wing has been making. The right has been paying millions on ads that discourage people from obtaining any sort of health care coverage, America. It is their goal to "cut health care costs" by simply spending less, which means denying health care coverage to millions.
"Do you guys ever take responsibility for anything? Why is it always always the other guy's fault?"
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It is a demonstrated fact that conservatives will not take any responsibility for anything, not even when they're caught red-handed. Deny and deflect is their strategy, which is exactly what your post makes a feeble attempt to do.