Christie vetoes bill to limit gun magazine capacity
July 3rd, 2014
12:50 PM ET
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Christie vetoes bill to limit gun magazine capacity

(CNN) – Pushing back against gun control advocates, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie vetoed a bill Wednesday that would reduce ammunition magazine limits from 15 rounds to 10 rounds.

Explaining his decision, the Republican governor bristled at the argument that reducing the legal maximum would spare lives in a mass shooting.

"It simply defies common sense to believe that imposing a new and entirely arbitrary number of bullets that can be lawfully loaded into a firearm will somehow eradicate, or even reduce, future instances of mass violence," he wrote in his conditional veto response to the Democratic-controlled legislature.

"Nor is it sufficient to claim that a ten-round capacity might spare an eleventh victim. For if that was true, then why wouldn't a nine-round limit be more humane?"

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While Christie has vetoed gun control measures and signed some into law in the past, he did not say ahead of time where he would come down on the latest bill. In his statement, he said the magazine proposal was a "trivial approach to the sanctity of human life."

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The potential presidential candidate suggested the real root of gun violence is a broken mental health system, and he sent back to the legislature several recommendations for reform.

"Time and again, the headlines surrounding instances of mass violence paint an unmistakable portrait of individuals in crisis falling through the broken safety nets of screening, treatment, and commitment," he said.

His proposals included steps that would make it easier to involuntarily commit people who could be potentially dangerous to society. He also recommended new standards for involuntary outpatient treatment and a new training program for first responders dealing with mental health crises.

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Gun control advocates argued a 10-round magazine limit could stall a shooter when trying to reload. They point to the example of Jared Lee Loughner, who was using a 33-round magazine in the 2011 Tucson, Arizona shooting that left six people dead and injured 13 others, including former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

Loughner was wrestled to the ground by bystanders when he stopped to reload.

"Governor Christie has chosen to put gun industry profits ahead of saving lives," said Violence Policy Center Legislative Director Kristen Rand in a statement.

"A ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines would protect law enforcement and the general public, and it would limit the firepower available to criminals and mass shooters. By vetoing this bill, Governor Christie has turned his back on an opportunity to improve public safety in communities across the state."

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soundoff (28 Responses)
  1. Gurgyl

    -so these idiots want guns, drugs, etc. Very pathetic. These thugs are bribed by NRA cult. God only save USA. Vote out all GOP cult thugs.

    July 3, 2014 12:53 pm at 12:53 pm |
  2. They ought to change from the elephant to the hippo...

    I guess one can never have enough bullets on hand in New Jersey. Maybe they should change their state motto....

    July 3, 2014 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm |
  3. Rudy NYC

    Maybe I am mistaken but wouldn't a lower magazine limit INCREASE gun manufacture profits. You know, because then someone would need to own more magazines. How in the world does a larger magazine capacity increase profits? Gun grabbers make absolutely no sense, it is a little disgusting.

    July 3, 2014 01:06 pm at 1:06 pm |
  4. smith

    Gov. Christie is right on this one. Its just like the AWB by Clinton, all for show but really doesn`t affect anything.

    July 3, 2014 01:11 pm at 1:11 pm |
  5. Rudy NYC

    "The potential presidential candidate suggested the real root of gun violence is a broken mental health system, and he sent back to the legislature several recommendations for reform. "
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    A broken mental health system. I guess that's why the NRA lobbied for and passed legislation that Reagan signed, which prohibits mental health records from being accessed for a background check during a gun purchase. It's too easy for the mentally unstable to obtain guns, that is the problem.

    Nearly 90% of Americans wanted stronger background checks following Sandy Hook. The NRA didn't, though, they wanted "a good guy with a gun." People with mental health issues still have the same access to every type of gun sold on the market. Nothing much has changed, and conservatives have fought to keep it this way.

    You hear the "mental health problem" charge a lot from the right. Do you ever hear any solutions to fix it?

    July 3, 2014 01:17 pm at 1:17 pm |
  6. Rudy NYC

    They ought to change from the elephant to the hippo...

    I guess one can never have enough bullets on hand in New Jersey. Maybe they should change their state motto....
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    I probably would have vetoed the bill, too. I think it exceeds the limit of diminishing returns. There are better actions that could be taken besides a random reduction on the size of a clip. What real difference is it going to make if the people who shouldn't have the guns in the first place can still obtain them? Instead of carrying one gun with a 50 round clip, the nut walks in with five guns, each with 10 round clips.

    July 3, 2014 01:20 pm at 1:20 pm |
  7. carlos

    The harder the GOP pushes for guns everywhere legislation, the farther the push back will be. When is enough going to be enough.

    July 3, 2014 01:32 pm at 1:32 pm |
  8. Chris..E.al

    0nly dems worry about how many shots a man or woman may possess . bahahahaha i wonder why to . bahahaha baha ha ?

    July 3, 2014 01:34 pm at 1:34 pm |
  9. Walter

    I guess he's establishing his NRA creds for his presidential campaign. Pandering to the gun nuts who believe the answer to too many guns in our country is more guns is a GOP requirement.

    July 3, 2014 01:48 pm at 1:48 pm |
  10. Kerr

    I have lots of guns but mostly for hunting, shooting sports, concealed carry, home protection and none of them have large magazines. I have no need for a large magazine but if I don't want my ability to own it limited. The second I see limitations might be imposed I will be a BUYER. I am amazed at the rising cost of revolvers for home protection and they can't keep them on the shelves so this whole anti-gun thing from libs is just millions in advertising for gun sales.

    July 3, 2014 01:51 pm at 1:51 pm |
  11. Marie MD

    Just because it would take a bazooka to bring him down doesn't mean he has made the right decision.
    CNN why don't you start a clock that counts up, not down, the number of deaths by gun on a daily basis in the US?
    The NRA used to want everything most sensible Americans want as far as gun control but now their are against their own rules.
    The guns everywhere people are the reason guns should not be allowed anywhere. They all look like a bunch of drunken rednecks with no lives. Great PR for gun everywhere.
    Didn't GA just have an incident where there people pinted guns at each other? Too bad the gene pool was not cleaned.

    July 3, 2014 01:55 pm at 1:55 pm |
  12. Bigwilliestyles

    It doesn't matter how many guns you collect. A skilled individual will still render them all superflous metal of captured weapons. Just once i'd like to see one of these right wing wonders stop an incident like Sandy Hook. Too bad tough talk wont do it.

    July 3, 2014 02:10 pm at 2:10 pm |
  13. Wake Up People! Many Rivers to cross.....

    I could care less how many bullets the little weenie guys have, my thing is I think I should have the right not to be surrounded by guns everywhere I go because a bunch of "little" men are afraid of their own shadows. Don't I have rights too??

    Will it be Obama's fault when the little weenies get into a shoutout because no one knows who is good and who is bad? After all, everything is HIS fault....

    July 3, 2014 02:14 pm at 2:14 pm |
  14. Chris..E.al

    When your government attempts to limit your right to have semi autos for your protection . Beware PPL wakeup all of you it is our rights at stake you and me ?

    July 3, 2014 02:16 pm at 2:16 pm |
  15. Rudy NYC

    Rudy NYC

    Maybe I am mistaken but wouldn't a lower magazine limit INCREASE gun manufacture profits. You know, because then someone would need to own more magazines. How in the world does a larger magazine capacity increase profits? Gun grabbers make absolutely no sense, it is a little disgusting.
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    Who could have ever guessed that I would place "Greed Over People"? Fooled me.

    July 3, 2014 02:17 pm at 2:17 pm |
  16. gb0423

    Christie, just another politician bought and paid for by the NRA....no surprise here

    July 3, 2014 02:20 pm at 2:20 pm |
  17. Joe from CT, not Lieberman

    When they reduced the size of allowable magazines in Connecticut, all they did was create a new category of felons out of what had been law-abiding individuals. Anyone who thinks someone cannot get a large capacity magazine when they wish to create mayhem is living in a fool's paradise. Just like those who think "banning" a weapon that looks like a piece of military hardware will prevent people from buying them.
    My only objection to large capacity magazines or "military-style" firearms is the lack of ability of the individual trying to use them. When I was in the Navy, we trained and carried 10-round magazines for our rifles and 6 round magazines for our sidearms. And we were taught to make each round count – not to just spray the area with lead and hope to hit something.

    July 3, 2014 02:21 pm at 2:21 pm |
  18. Rudy NYC

    Democrat turned Republican because of Obama the Clown.

    Good on him, reducing the amount of ammo is not going to work. A person can change a clip out in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds, so it is a mute point. Tighten up current laws and reform the mental health system would be more productive.
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    Those are noble words that we have been hearing for quite a long time. So, why haven't conservatives actually acted on their visions, and actually done something about it?

    July 3, 2014 02:21 pm at 2:21 pm |
  19. MaryM

    Go right ahead Krispy, show moderate and independent Americans, that want limits, just how far right you can go.

    Hahahaha bye bye Krispy

    July 3, 2014 02:22 pm at 2:22 pm |
  20. Tony D

    Thank you for vetoing yet more do nothing garbage legislation by the idiot Democrats. Solves nothing, does nothing, just another pathetic attempt to make law abiding citizens criminals as they let criminals out of jail. Democrat Party, the party of criminals, the party for criminals.

    July 3, 2014 02:23 pm at 2:23 pm |
  21. Patrick

    You hear the "mental health problem" charge a lot from the right. Do you ever hear any solutions to fix it?
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    Easy lock up the mentally ill like we used to do. where were these mass shootings in the 1960s, 1950s when guns were even easier to get? The mentally ill were kept separate from society back then. Keeping the mentally ill separate was a good thing.

    July 3, 2014 02:26 pm at 2:26 pm |
  22. Wake Up People! Many Rivers to cross.....

    Rudy NYC says:
    July 3, 2014 02:17 pm at 2:17 pm
    Rudy NYC

    Maybe I am mistaken but wouldn’t a lower magazine limit INCREASE gun manufacture profits. You know, because then someone would need to own more magazines. How in the world does a larger magazine capacity increase profits? Gun grabbers make absolutely no sense, it is a little disgusting.
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    Who could have ever guessed that I would place “Greed Over People”? Fooled me.

    Those of us that "know" you, knew it wasn't you. How childish though. But that's the GOP way. Act like 4 year olds. Actually 4 year olds are a little more mature...

    July 3, 2014 02:34 pm at 2:34 pm |
  23. tom l

    "Those of us that "know" you, knew it wasn't you. How childish though. But that's the GOP way. Act like 4 year olds. Actually 4 year olds are a little more mature..."
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    I have had my name copied on several occasions just like it happened to Rudy. It is not repubs that do this only. However, I have been threatened with violence from one of the members of the gang, though.

    July 3, 2014 02:44 pm at 2:44 pm |
  24. tom l

    "Just because it would take a bazooka to bring him down doesn't mean he has made the right decision."
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    Ahhhhh the compassionate left. It's just as prevalent as the "family values" right. They sure do talk a good game but in the end they are no better, and actually they are worse because they pretend that they are high and mighty. All talk, no walk.

    July 3, 2014 02:45 pm at 2:45 pm |
  25. Rudy NYC

    Patrick

    You hear the "mental health problem" charge a lot from the right. Do you ever hear any solutions to fix it?

    Easy lock up the mentally ill like we used to do. where were these mass shootings in the 1960s, 1950s when guns were even easier to get? The mentally ill were kept separate from society back then. Keeping the mentally ill separate was a good thing.
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    Didn't you get the memo? For years, the right has dismissed mental health problems as phony illnesses
    Haven't you been paying attention? For years, the right has cut the budgets to mental health programs.

    Where were these mass shootings fifty years ago? Where were the types of weapons that are being used 50 years ago?

    July 3, 2014 02:47 pm at 2:47 pm |
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